i hope i never get asked to show my pilot's license ;-) knock on wood, never have been ramp checked.
-sean On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license. > > *From:* Cameron Crum <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are > free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible > and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were > irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a > new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy > as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too > indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they > aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of > responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 > letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you > take it for yourself. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >> Chicago :P >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Certainly non existent in Chicago.... right.... No fraud about it. You >>> pay good money for good votes. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>> >>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >>>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >>>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>> >>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>> >>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>>>> pay money. >>>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>>>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>>>> passport, pay money. >>>>> >>>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>>>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>>>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>>>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>>>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but >>>>> have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other >>>>> public transportation and few people own a car??? >>>>> >>>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >>>>> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >>>>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >>>>> or by bike. >>>>> >>>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked >>>>> tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the >>>>> discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. >>>>> >>>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% >>>>>> of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or >>>>>> means, >>>>>> to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do >>>>>> they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>>>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>>>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>>>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>>>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>>>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>>>>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>>>>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>>>>>> otherwise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're >>>>>>>> all racist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're >>>>>>>> just fine with that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" < >>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>>>>> *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google >>>>>>>> tells me they require one of the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>>>>> Safety (DPS) >>>>>>>> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>>>>> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>>>>> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>>>>> - United States military identification card containing the >>>>>>>> person’s photograph >>>>>>>> - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>>>>> photograph >>>>>>>> - United States passport >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really >>>>>>>> see anything inconsistent there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>>>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < >>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>>>>>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>>>>>>> super >>>>>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots >>>>>>>>> have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than >>>>>>>>> .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person >>>>>>>>> voting with >>>>>>>>> an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth >>>>>>>>> certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> the student ID was issued by a state school. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair >>>>>>>>> 2. Make America great?!?! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < >>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, >>>>>>>>>> while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal >>>>>>>>>> and illegal immigration. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in >>>>>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander >>>>>>>>>> and it >>>>>>>>>> sucks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why >>>>>>>>>> should the most important thing be any different? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>>>>>>>> conversation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to >>>>>>>>>> solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one >>>>>>>>>> liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his >>>>>>>>>> motivation >>>>>>>>>> was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South >>>>>>>>>> Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries >>>>>>>>>> south >>>>>>>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because >>>>>>>>>> at that >>>>>>>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>>>>>>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South >>>>>>>>>> Americans >>>>>>>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my >>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud >>>>>>>>>> of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda >>>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would >>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>>>>>>>>> because they >>>>>>>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>>>>>>>> win. >>>>>>>>>> Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and >>>>>>>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies >>>>>>>>>> and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into >>>>>>>>>> a million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> America is already fucking great! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see >>>>>>>>>> American politicians act this poorly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2 cents >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer >>>>>>>>>>> up front. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The >>>>>>>>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities >>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then >>>>>>>>>>> adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming >>>>>>>>>>> from him, >>>>>>>>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in >>>>>>>>>>> whatever way >>>>>>>>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course >>>>>>>>>>> not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? >>>>>>>>>>> absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is >>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>>>> a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the >>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric a bit >>>>>>>>>>> (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country >>>>>>>>>>> needs action >>>>>>>>>>> in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do >>>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>>> that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. >>>>>>>>>>> But, I *still believe in America* and its strength and there is >>>>>>>>>>> been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase >>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>> strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse >>>>>>>>>>> at an >>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented level historically. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country >>>>>>>>>>> fan” >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say >>>>>>>>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> > >
