Make sure to tell them to have a NASA form with them too and to report on themselves immediately anytime they think they may have done something wrong. Several people I know have got out of jail free with that.
From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents 20 years and a CFII ticket later I tell my student pilots the same thing - you're the one going 150mph, the biggest danger the guy on the other end of the radio has is falling out of his swivel chair. Don't let them intimidate you. The other thing I try to get across to pilots is 'don't be afraid to declare an emergency because you are worried about the paperwork'. The FAA does not consider a successfully handled emergency anything more than the system working properly. I have declared several emergencies over the last 25 years (2 vacuum pump failures in IMC, one bad mag / rough engine, icing, and a VFR into IMC incident). The amount of paperwork involved has been zero. I have asked the question to the FAA - what happens when a pilot declares an emergency. The answer: If the emergency is successfully handled and the flight terminates normally the only paperwork the controller does is filing a 'flight assistance report' to the FSDO (flight standards district office). The reports are reviewed to look for trends and ongoing safety concerns, but rarely result in any further action. The purpose of the system is to improve safety, and it doesn't work if pilots are afraid to use it. Mark On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: Never forget that it's your ass in the clouds and not theirs, you are Pilot In Command, and you're responsible. Even with today's FAA, you will win that argument. But it sounds like you've got that part nailed! Good for you. On 04/28/2016 01:17 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: There was lots of clear air below 7,000 and that was pretty early in my flying career. Anymore I would just continue to refuse the clearance. If ATC wanted to push it we would be exchanging phone numbers, and discussing FAR’s regarding the PIC’s authority. Mark On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: I would have declared the emergency before climbing. On 04/28/2016 01:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Had that conversation before: Toledo Tracon: 23Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ 23M: Unable due to icing Toledo: 23 Mike, Detroit needs you at 8000’ 23M: We are going to pick up ice at 8000’, unable Toledo: 23 Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ 23M: leaving 6 for 8 4 minutes later: 23M: Toledo, 23M is declaring an emergency, leaving 8000 for 6000 Toledo: 23M, if able maintain 6000, state your intentions. 23M: Not collecting ice Grrr… Mark On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: I had a whole lot more altitude capability, but I was at 17k, ATC was denying me FL180, and I only had an O2 cannula, not a mask. Which is needed above FL180. Fortunately I was near enough my destination that I could start descending. The wings shed all the ice during the descent. Oh, and i wasn't near gross weight, whew! Definitely saw the airspeed decrease, though. On 04/28/2016 12:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote: That is what I think of as sphincter exercise. Nothing like being in the freezing clouds, at gross weight, at or near maximum altitude, and watching the ice grow on the leading edge. Oh dear. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/28/2016 12:47 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: I've managed to avoid that so far, thank you very much. Most I've gotten is about a half inch of mixed, and that scared the @#$% out of me. On 04/28/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Not sure I would trust it. Once you get an inch of ice from supercooled liquid droplets, your worldview on ice changes... From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents Lemme rephrase... a passive anti-ice that doesn't require refilling or inflating with air. And doesn't mean "don't fly in clouds." :-) On 04/28/2016 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: TKS From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents I'm interested in it as a pilot. Gimme wings that don't ice up! On 04/28/2016 08:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote: This is the wrong time of year for this, but it sure would help for a lot of equipment icing issues some of you guys see in the winter time. This describes a polymer plus lubricant that can make a "durable" anti ice coating. Hey Chuck, bet you are interested in this? https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away -- bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> !DSPAM:2,57226fef169091994116129!
