Never forget that it's your ass in the clouds and not theirs, you are
Pilot In Command, and you're responsible. Even with today's FAA, you
will win that argument. But it sounds like you've got that part
nailed! Good for you.
On 04/28/2016 01:17 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
There was lots of clear air below 7,000 and that was pretty early in
my flying career. Anymore I would just continue to refuse the
clearance. If ATC wanted to push it we would be exchanging phone
numbers, and discussing FAR’s regarding the PIC’s authority.
Mark
On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
I would have declared the emergency before climbing.
On 04/28/2016 01:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Had that conversation before:
Toledo Tracon: 23Mike, climb and maintain 8000’
23M: Unable due to icing
Toledo: 23 Mike, Detroit needs you at 8000’
23M: We are going to pick up ice at 8000’, unable
Toledo: 23 Mike, climb and maintain 8000’
23M: leaving 6 for 8
4 minutes later:
23M: Toledo, 23M is declaring an emergency, leaving 8000 for 6000
Toledo: 23M, if able maintain 6000, state your intentions.
23M: Not collecting ice
Grrr…
Mark
On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
I had a whole lot more altitude capability, but I was at 17k, ATC
was denying me FL180, and I only had an O2 cannula, not a mask.
Which is needed above FL180. Fortunately I was near enough my
destination that I could start descending. The wings shed all the
ice during the descent. Oh, and i wasn't near gross weight, whew!
Definitely saw the airspeed decrease, though.
On 04/28/2016 12:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
That is what I think of as sphincter exercise. Nothing like being
in the freezing clouds, at gross weight, at or near maximum
altitude, and watching the ice grow on the leading edge. Oh dear.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/28/2016 12:47 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
I've managed to avoid that so far, thank you very much. Most
I've gotten is about a half inch of mixed, and that scared the
@#$% out of me.
On 04/28/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Not sure I would trust it.
Once you get an inch of ice from supercooled liquid droplets,
your worldview on ice changes...
*From:* Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents
Lemme rephrase... a /passive/ anti-ice that doesn't require
refilling or inflating with air. And doesn't mean "don't fly in
clouds." :-)
On 04/28/2016 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
TKS
*From:* Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents
I'm interested in it as a pilot. Gimme wings that don't ice up!
On 04/28/2016 08:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
This is the wrong time of year for this, but it sure would
help for a lot of equipment icing issues some of you guys see
in the winter time.
This describes a polymer plus lubricant that can make a
"durable" anti ice coating.
Hey Chuck, bet you are interested in this?
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away
--
bp
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