There was lots of clear air below 7,000 and that was pretty early in my flying career. Anymore I would just continue to refuse the clearance. If ATC wanted to push it we would be exchanging phone numbers, and discussing FAR’s regarding the PIC’s authority.
Mark > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote: > > I would have declared the emergency before climbing. > > On 04/28/2016 01:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> Had that conversation before: >> >> Toledo Tracon: 23Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ >> 23M: Unable due to icing >> Toledo: 23 Mike, Detroit needs you at 8000’ >> 23M: We are going to pick up ice at 8000’, unable >> Toledo: 23 Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ >> 23M: leaving 6 for 8 >> >> 4 minutes later: >> >> 23M: Toledo, 23M is declaring an emergency, leaving 8000 for 6000 >> Toledo: 23M, if able maintain 6000, state your intentions. >> 23M: Not collecting ice >> >> Grrr… >> >> Mark >> >>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com >>> <mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I had a whole lot more altitude capability, but I was at 17k, ATC was >>> denying me FL180, and I only had an O2 cannula, not a mask. Which is >>> needed above FL180. Fortunately I was near enough my destination that I >>> could start descending. The wings shed all the ice during the descent. >>> Oh, and i wasn't near gross weight, whew! Definitely saw the airspeed >>> decrease, though. >>> >>> On 04/28/2016 12:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> That is what I think of as sphincter exercise. Nothing like being in the >>>> freezing clouds, at gross weight, at or near maximum altitude, and >>>> watching the ice grow on the leading edge. Oh dear. >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 4/28/2016 12:47 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>>>> I've managed to avoid that so far, thank you very much. Most I've gotten >>>>> is about a half inch of mixed, and that scared the @#$% out of me. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/28/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>> Not sure I would trust it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you get an inch of ice from supercooled liquid droplets, your >>>>>> worldview on ice changes... >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents >>>>>> >>>>>> Lemme rephrase... a passive anti-ice that doesn't require refilling or >>>>>> inflating with air. And doesn't mean "don't fly in clouds." :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/28/2016 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>> TKS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:07 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm interested in it as a pilot. Gimme wings that don't ice up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 04/28/2016 08:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>>>> This is the wrong time of year for this, but it sure would help for a >>>>>>>> lot of equipment icing issues some of you guys see in the winter time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This describes a polymer plus lubricant that can make a "durable" anti >>>>>>>> ice coating. >>>>>>>> Hey Chuck, bet you are interested in this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away>https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> !DSPAM:2,57226e7e166668618616799! >
