Wow..when I am flying .....I like allot of ice.....in my beer cooler to keep Tecate and Modelo coooooold. Yes I am a cross drinker now.... ajuaaaaa On Apr 28, 2016 3:14 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> A hearty well done, and that sort of exchange makes me want to ask for the > controller's phone number. Who says the conversation cannot go the other > way? Specially with someone senior from the FAA in attendance. Ice and > flying, a NO FUCK AROUND situation.. I don't care what kind of air > vehicle it is.. It took down the shuttle because of ignoring physics... > > On 04/28/2016 01:20 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: > >> Never forget that it's your ass in the clouds and not theirs, you are >> Pilot In Command, and you're responsible. Even with today's FAA, you >> will win that argument. But it sounds like you've got that part >> nailed! Good for you. >> >> On 04/28/2016 01:17 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> >> There was lots of clear air below 7,000 and that was pretty early in >>> my flying career. Anymore I would just continue to refuse the >>> clearance. If ATC wanted to push it we would be exchanging phone >>> numbers, and discussing FAR’s regarding the PIC’s authority. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com >>>> <mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would have declared the emergency before climbing. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/28/2016 01:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>> >>>>> Had that conversation before: >>>>> >>>>> Toledo Tracon: 23Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ >>>>> 23M: Unable due to icing >>>>> Toledo: 23 Mike, Detroit needs you at 8000’ >>>>> 23M: We are going to pick up ice at 8000’, unable >>>>> Toledo: 23 Mike, climb and maintain 8000’ >>>>> 23M: leaving 6 for 8 >>>>> >>>>> 4 minutes later: >>>>> >>>>> 23M: Toledo, 23M is declaring an emergency, leaving 8000 for 6000 >>>>> Toledo: 23M, if able maintain 6000, state your intentions. >>>>> 23M: Not collecting ice >>>>> >>>>> Grrr… >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com >>>>>> <mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a whole lot more altitude capability, but I was at 17k, ATC >>>>>> was denying me FL180, and I only had an O2 cannula, not a mask. >>>>>> Which is needed above FL180. Fortunately I was near enough my >>>>>> destination that I could start descending. The wings shed all the >>>>>> ice during the descent. Oh, and i wasn't near gross weight, whew! >>>>>> Definitely saw the airspeed decrease, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/28/2016 12:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is what I think of as sphincter exercise. Nothing like being >>>>>>> in the freezing clouds, at gross weight, at or near maximum >>>>>>> altitude, and watching the ice grow on the leading edge. Oh dear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/28/2016 12:47 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've managed to avoid that so far, thank you very much. Most >>>>>>>> I've gotten is about a half inch of mixed, and that scared the >>>>>>>> @#$% out of me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/28/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not sure I would trust it. >>>>>>>>> Once you get an inch of ice from supercooled liquid droplets, >>>>>>>>> your worldview on ice changes... >>>>>>>>> *From:* Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lemme rephrase... a /passive/ anti-ice that doesn't require >>>>>>>>> refilling or inflating with air. And doesn't mean "don't fly in >>>>>>>>> clouds." :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 04/28/2016 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TKS >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bruce Robertson <mailto:br...@pooh.com> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* <mailto:af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Durable ice repellents >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in it as a pilot. Gimme wings that don't ice up! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/28/2016 08:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the wrong time of year for this, but it sure would >>>>>>>>>>> help for a lot of equipment icing issues some of you guys see >>>>>>>>>>> in the winter time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This describes a polymer plus lubricant that can make a >>>>>>>>>>> "durable" anti ice coating. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck, bet you are interested in this? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-process-encourages-ice-slip-slide-away >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> !DSPAM:2,57226fef169091994116129! >>> >> >>
