Re: [AFMUG] potential FTTH build

[Bruce Robertson]

You can always change the electronics.  It's only glass - lots of ways 
to light it up.  Changing the electronics is the cheap part.

On 5/3/16 3:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I don't disagree with you but I do wonder what the ultimate life of 
modern singlemode fiber (G.652.D) is, assuming it's not physically 
damaged. Could be more than 100 years?

The oldest outside plant fiber that's still currently in use is, as 
far as I know, some of the 9/125 that was installed between Boston and 
New York in the early 1980s.  But that stuff is very different from 
even a modern singlemode from the dotcom 1.0 boom times around 
1998/1999. A significant amount of the MFN/Abovenet/360/Zayo fiber in 
Seattle dates from that time, right around the year 2000, and there's 
no problem using it with modern DWDM systems.



On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com 
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:

    That's a nice developer!  By them lots of drinks and steak
    dinners.  If you don't have the $150-$200k handy, beg, borrow or
    steal it.  Preferably not borrow... that hurts your return for the
    term of the loan.  But it's still worth it for an asset that will
    be performing 100 years from now.

    On 5/3/16 3:23 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
    As for ROI the developer wants to give us an exclusive right and
    not put in copper for phone or TV ;) The take rate should be
    pretty high because their other option will be our wireless service.

    Sean


    On Tuesday, May 3, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

        You will probably get 80% if you are the best value.
        And you don’t the full costs for homes that don’t take the
        service.  No CPE, no enclosure, no drop, no sfp.
        Say $2500/customer.
        Say you clear $40/month.
        40*12=480
        480/2500 = 19.2%  return from day one forever.
        What kind of mutual fund will give you a return like that?
        *From:* Eric Kuhnke
        *Sent:* Tuesday, May 03, 2016 3:10 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] potential FTTH build
        That math assumes an immediate 100% takeup rate...
        On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman
        <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

            1630/65 = 25
            Internet isn't going away, it's like water and power. The
            next 25 months and the 25 months after that...

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340
            Direct: 937-552-2343
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Eric Kuhnke
            <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

                I don't see how the math works (at $150k and 92
                homes) if the cost per unit served is $1630 per
                house. And your initial penetration rate will be far,
                far less than 100% of homes for monthly services.
                Even after 3-4 years a significant percentage may
                never sign up. Where's the ROI?

                On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Chuck McCown
                <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                    Figure one handhole per 2 homes. So 46 handholes.
                    1.25” between all handholes.
                    .75” duct from each handhole to each dwelling for
                    drops.
                    You can run 144 count fiber for spares.
                    Drop down to 96 or 48 count as it tapers going
                    down the runs.
                    You will need a cabinet with a distribution
                    panel, electronics, batteries.
                    It will need power.
                    To go cheap, use a large cisco router with SFPs
                    ports and SFP to each dwelling with a media
                    converter at the ends.
                    Or put in Calix.  You can go GPON or Active. 
                    With something this small, I would do Active.
                    You will have $150 to $200K in before you are done.
                    *From:* Sean Heskett
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, May 03, 2016 12:38 PM
                    *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
                    *Subject:* [AFMUG] potential FTTH build
                    Hello,
                    We are in talks with a developer who is planning
                    a subdivision on a ~50 acre lot for 92 homes and
                    he wants us to deliver FTTH.  Is there anyone on
                    this list who would like to consult with us so
                    that we can get the plan done right from the get
                    go?  The developer will be doing all the
                    trenching and conduit etc., we will be doing all
                    the electronics and customer service etc.
                    Best regards,
                    Sean



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