You actually don't want SFPs for consumer products and many applications. It's more economical (and other reasons) to use the existing UTP if possible, hence 2.5/5/25Gbps Ethernet over UTP and G.FAST over cat3/cat5. On Jun 4, 2016 10:43 PM, "Jason Wilson" <ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
> Semd Mike Hammett after them. He will get SFP's put on your refrigerator > soon. > On Jun 4, 2016 11:52 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > >> Nice. >> >> >> >> Looks like it won’t be approved for production until September, and who >> knows when routers will implement it. >> >> >> >> Probably a couple years before it’s scale makes it cheap and Mikrotik >> adopts it… >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:49 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router >> >> >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T >> >> On Jun 4, 2016 1:45 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >> >> So are you saying there is a standard coming out that can do over 1Gbps >> over Cat5e? >> >> >> >> I would like to see that sooner than later. >> >> >> >> I can’t sell anything above a 1 Gigabit over existing house wire because >> there are no transceivers or routers that handle more than GigE. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:41 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router >> >> >> >> 802.11ad is going to bring 5Gbps and 10Gbps Ethernet into the >> mainstream... in about 3-5 years. >> >> Most devices aren't but 1x1 or 2x2 on 802.11ac, which drastically limits >> their bandwidth, even on 80mhz and 80+80 channels. An 8x8 radio on 802.11AC >> 3rd gen with all clients and the AP capable of MU-MIMO with a bunch of >> devices on it? Then more than a gig or more than a 1x1G lag makes sense. >> Those devices will have 5Gbps over copper support using the existing >> copper, maybe even 2x5Gbps ports. >> >> Still, those devices will be plugged into layer3 switches for proper >> east-west traffic speeds at line rate, that can support POE 802.3at and the >> 5Gbps over copper rates. They will likely have several 5Gbps ports, and a >> handful of 25Gbps over copper. >> >> You won't see much SFP+ in homes. WAN ports for CPE devices will be >> limited to 1Gbps for the next few years at a minimum. 5years before you see >> a 5Gbps WAN port would be my guess, and even then they will be rare. >> >> Sources - my own research, and comments from several router manufacturers >> and FTTH vendors. >> >> On Jun 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >> >> You sound like the guy in 2003 that told me no one will ever need more >> than 10Mbps, why would a home want an internet connection at 10Mbps. >> >> >> >> I’m in a business building infrastructure for the next 10-20 years, so >> this is where I am looking at 10Gbps to the home. >> >> >> >> There are actual ISP’s that sell 10Gbps connections. >> >> >> >> I have several customers with a 10Gbps SFP+ connection inside their home >> already. >> >> >> >> Do they use it all the time? No, they don’t, not even close. >> >> >> >> Can they get 9+Gbps on speedtest.net? >> >> >> >> Yes, they can. >> >> >> >> With a desktop computer with a SFP+ card in it. >> >> >> >> What I want is a high powered wireless router that can do close to 1Gbps >> wireless (which they have), AND have an SFP+ internet port so it can do >> over 1Gbps NAT traffic. >> >> >> >> I suppose IPv6 routed would be a lot easier on the router CPU in the >> future, so that makes it more likely. >> >> >> >> They just need to put a SFP+ interface on one of these bad boys: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:00 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router >> >> >> >> There is not a single residential sub who would need a 10 gig home >> router. That's insane and router manufacturers aren't gonna make one until >> more isps are selling 10 gig. Anyway it's silly to even think a single home >> needs a gig. They still only average about the same usage as a 20 mbps >> wireless sub. >> >> Sent from my smartphone. Please excuse any typos. >> >> On Jun 4, 2016 2:22 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> I was about to get to that actually :) I'm still not sure where his gripe >> lies. I think it's something along the lines of wanting a 10G "home router". >> >> On Jun 4, 2016 1:28 AM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> thats the reason for the push for 5 and 25 Gbps Ethernet >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in >> your opinion, where the problem lies? >> >> On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> >> wrote: >> >> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK >> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 >> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port. >> >> >> >> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport >> the wireless to two GigE connections? >> >> >> >> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of >> actual transport? >> >> >> >> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump >> to paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on >> SFP+. >> >> >> >> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of >> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR. >> >> >> >> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go. >> >> >> >> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser >> going to speedtest.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router >> >> >> >> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant >> 10G customers of ours. >> >> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite. >> >> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> >> wrote: >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless >> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right? >> >> >> >>
