i guess it could be something like that...but are they not both limited to regional maximum if one checks the calculate EIRP limit in the ubnt gear? And sets the correct antenna gain of course...

On 6/5/2016 3:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is it possible the ePMP tx power is at the regional maximum while the ubiquiti tx power was at the hardware maximum?

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:

    RSSI?
    4-7dBm


    On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

        What was the average signal difference?

        Jerry Head wrote:

            It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just
            helped a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to
            make use of the sync capabilities. We actually had to
            transfer about 15% of the customers to 900 because they
            would not work at all on epmp.

            On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

                But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on
                the same link, or is it maybe just differences in how
                they calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any
                sense that two different radios running on the same
                frequency putting the same amount of power into the
                same antennas would give significantly different
                signal levels...

                The closest thing I've done to a comparison was
                playing with a Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there
                didn't seem to be a significant difference between it
                and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.

                On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
                <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
                <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
                <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
                <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>> wrote:

                    And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200
                2.4,
                    integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.


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                    On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
                <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                        I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
                        *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
                        *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
                        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                        hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with
                ubnt we're
                        using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it
                is bundled
                        antennas...

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
                <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
                            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                            *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                            Jay, I suspect the difference you are
                seeing may be
                            mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any
                vendor should
                            penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t
                care what brand
                            radio launched them.  And I think the
                difference between
                            the platforms will be most evident in low
                interference
                            environment where they can achieve their
                full modulation
                            and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s
                kind of like
                            arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road
                racing, neither
                            will be able to show off its capabilities.
                Receiver
                            sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
                            *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
                <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
                            *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
                            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                            Also interested in interference rejection
                of the pmp450             - is there any (in 2.4)
                            we are getting better foliage penetration
                with ubnt 2.4
                            than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
                            the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it
                penetrated better!

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                *From:* Matt
                <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
                <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>>
                                *To:* af@afmug.com
                <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com
                <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                                *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
                                *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                                We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450
                deployed. Some
                                Ubiquiti we tried and
                                some we inherited as well.  Have some
                ePMP we have
                                tested but so far
                                have not deployed more then couple
                test links.

                                For those who have tried both ePMP and
                PMP450 what
                                are the differences
                                you have seen in performance?
                Interference tolerance
                                among others?

                                For those that have gone with PMP450
                over ePMP what
                                was the reasoning?








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