Hard to say for sure but there were casualties on all four APs fwiw.

On 6/5/2016 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Was it only certain areas that were worse or any areas better (indicating antenna pattern differences) or across the board worse?



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*From: *"Colin Stanners" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:28:39 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

This is very interesting. How different were the antenna gains at the APs and clients? For those clients that didn't work after the swap, did it seem more due to lower signal level or just bad linktests / reconnections?

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Head <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped
    a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the
    sync capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the
    customers to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.

    On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

        But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the
        same link, or is it maybe just differences in how they
        calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any sense that two
        different radios running on the same frequency putting the
        same amount of power into the same antennas would give
        significantly different signal levels...

        The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a
        Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a
        significant difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting
        to the same AP.

        On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
            integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


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            On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
                *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
                *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt
                we're using kp performance. With epmp, i think it is
                bundled antennas...

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may
                    be mainly in the antennas. 2.4 GHz from any vendor
                    should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t
                    care what brand radio launched them.  And I think
                    the difference between the platforms will be most
                    evident in low interference environment where they
                    can achieve their full modulation and throughput.
                    With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing
                    Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
                    will be able to show off its capabilities.
                    Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
                    *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
                    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    Also interested in interference rejection of the
                    pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)
                    we are getting better foliage penetration with
                    ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
                    the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        *From:* Matt <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
                        *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                        We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.
                        Some Ubiquiti we tried and
                        some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we
                        have tested but so far
                        have not deployed more then couple test links.

                        For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450
                        what are the differences
                        you have seen in performance? Interference
                        tolerance among others?

                        For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP
                        what was the reasoning?







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