I also worked with several providers whom for the past 6-8 years knew that IPv4 was running out .. most had already deployed IPv6 at that point to stay ahead of any “sudden rushes” … but along that route (pardon the pun), some of those providers started SWIP’ing out as much IP space as they could as a means of “stock piling” IP blocks - i can remember one example where the provider used a public /16 IP block for managing devices at a University (firewalled out) so that they could SWIP that space to the University and show it as used … later they could easily renumber that IP space to private block(s) and claim it back...
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Uh... Pretty sure it's the schools with /16 and DOD with a dozen /8 before > all of the WISPs to blame for exhaustion :) > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Aug 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Thanks > > So see? It's all you WISP cowboys out there GIVING IPs away for > pennies that's caused the world to run out of addresses! > > It's not the datacenter monkeys and "DevOPs" folks, oh no. > > /s > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Great list. Nice work. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2016 12:19 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo > >> Comcast business: $20 / mo > >> AT&T: $15 - $40 / mo > >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the > >> wireless division though...) > >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually > >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here: > >> > >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/ > >> > >> <https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/> > >> ) > >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before: > >> > >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem > >> > >> <https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem> > >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee > >> Time Warner: $20 / mo > >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective > >> > of > >> > internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a > >> > premium > >> > for that type of use. > >> > > >> > Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range. > >> > > >> > Faisal Imtiaz > >> > Snappy Internet & Telecom > >> > 7266 SW 48 Street > >> > Miami, FL 33155 > >> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> > >> > > >> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > > >> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] > >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? > >> > > >> > The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to > >> > $30/Mo > >> > :( see Google. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected] > >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> yeah, projections from the same folks who create stock market bubbles > >> >> ! > >> >> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed. > >> >> > >> >> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of > >> >> $1 > >> >> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase > >> >> price. > >> >> > >> >> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need > >> >> to > >> >> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing... > >> >> > >> >> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running > >> >> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the > >> >> ARPU of > >> >> the BW purchase. > >> >> > >> >> my 2.5 cents worth. > >> >> > >> >> Faisal Imtiaz > >> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom > >> >> 7266 SW 48 Street > >> >> Miami, FL 33155 > >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > >> >> > >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] > >> >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? > >> >> > >> >> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I > >> >> > have > >> >> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time > >> >> > fee > >> >> > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than > >> >> > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you). > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > >> >> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> >> $13 per IP on a /24 ???? wow..... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected] > >> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> He created a toaster?? LOL > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/ > >> >> >>> <https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Travis > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> He can afford to wait a long time.... He was the developer of the > >> >> >>> first > >> >> >>> of one of the major devices on the internet. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> As in a /16 ? he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could > >> >> >>> be > >> >> >>> dead wrong there) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the > >> >> >>> market > >> >> >>> is > >> >> >>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – > >> >> >>> guessing > >> >> >>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more > >> >> >>> blocks > >> >> >>> coming available > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] > >> >> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Robert > >> >> >>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM > >> >> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B... But he's going to wait > >> >> >>> for > >> >> >>> $300-500 pricing... LOL... > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> besides ip auctions.com <http://auctions.com/> Anyone knows of of > >> >> >>> ip address sources for > >> >> >>> buying? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> > > >> >
