Good questions… For us, if you have a dynamic IP either business or residential you get filtered on on some ports … not many but a few … such as SMTP that must be sent via our mail servers and cannot be sent direct (spamming prevention), customers can’t run a public facing DNS server (they can of course do DNS lookups wherever they wish although we prefer they use ours) etc…. we’ve had a small number of customers ask for special rules on this and declined them - too much administrative headaches involved
If you’re on a static IP address (small monthly charge depending on the connection) then no filtering applied - typically a three strikes rule re abuse complaints and/or DDOS activity…. and we get a fair amount of abuse “traffic” that we deal with (or try to at least keep up) Paul > On Oct 5, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > > *raises hand*. We filter next to zilch. > > But here is a better example: how many people on this list that do proactive > filtering would *refuse* to disable it *if a customer explicitly asked them > to*? How about for an important corporate customer that expects that when > they buy an internet connection from you, they are actually getting a > *connection to the internet*, and not an entrance pass to a walled garden? > > I'm not convinced this is a good analogy anyway, because the internet isn't a > product, it is an ongoing service. Hate to break it to you, but as an > internet provider, you are a utility company. But you may be on to > something, since I think Apple and Google have both been progressing towards > a view of product-as-service mentality, which is another thing that I have a > problem with... > > -- Nathan > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 4:06 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple > > To use another example... how many people on this list are providing totally > open, unrestricted, unfiltered Internet service to customers? You aren't > filtering SMB or NetBIOS or DHCP or any other protocols that have no use on > the network? You are doing ZERO protection for your customers? I doubt it. > You are doing that because you are trying to avoid the customer support > calls, truck rolls, etc... because people don't understand what they are > doing with technology. > > Apple does the same thing. Lock down the devices so people can't cause damage > to themselves, that Apple then has to fix. :) > > Travis > > > On 10/5/2016 4:57 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: > People also want their computers to work, period. I'm not sure I see the > difference. This device of mine that you call a "phone" is not actually a > phone. That's a misnomer. It is a pocket computer that happens to have a > phone app on it. > > There are a lot of circumstances today where I used to carry a laptop, but I > now carry a phone SO THAT I don't have to carry a laptop with me. > > The same kind of security model has been applied to so-called tablets, which > are basically touch-screen laptops without a keyboard on them, but many of > them can have a keyboard added if desired. This is not a phone vs. computer > debate. The form factor has little to do with the issue at hand. Apple has > even made steps that hint at them trying to do similar things to the Mac. It > may only be a matter of time until you can't even use a laptop "to do > whatever you want". > > -- Nathan > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:51 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple > > This literally made me laugh out loud... you realize this is less than 1% of > 1% of the population? Why not just carry a laptop with you to do whatever you > want? > > People just want their phones to work, period. They want to text, Facebook, > Snap, Instagram, and take pics. There are probably 1,000 people total that > need to do what you are talking about with their phones... that's a VERY > small percentage. :) > > Travis > > > > On 10/5/2016 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user and makes it > impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal breaker for me. I can > understand why they did it, to stop people from shooting themselves in the > foot. > > But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running CyanogenMod > that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an iPhone. With the right GUI > tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is very close to a basic Linux shell > system: > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en> > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or more than > certain design aspects. I used iPhones from 2008-2012 and did enjoy them, > but that was back when jailbreaking was more or less mainstream. The fact > that I even had to jailbreak in the first place, though, to use *my* phone > the way that *I* wanted to bothered me, and I switched to Android when > Apple's code-signing BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing me > over at one point. > > I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a security > standpoint for the average user. But if somebody desires to turn it off, > there should be a way for the owner of the phone to do so. By all means, > make it a difficult process so that the bar to entry is high enough to > dissuade the average user from doing so, but make it *possible*. Apple > doesn't just use code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon > with which to bully their users. > > So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple in this > endeavor, it is this. The bootloader on the new phones better darn well be > unlockable by the user without the user having to exploit a security > vulnerability to do so. > > -- Nathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple > > Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people drive a > Chevy, some people drive a BMW. > > I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone > would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a > brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is > that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as > smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and > resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but if a > BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be > driving BMW. > > Just my thoughts. :) > > Travis > > > On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet > > are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's probably > > more important to make it affordable. > > > > My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been > > left out of anything at all. > > > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/ > >> <https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/> > >> > >> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted that > >> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the hardware AND > >> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from > >> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is > >> finally understanding. > >> > >> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the > >> marketing materials. Every commercial they run (along with Samsung > >> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better than > >> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to make the > >> direct comparison. LOL > >> > >> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton > >> > >> Travis > >> > > > > > > > > > >
