I still think that it would be better with a single payer system like
what's in use in most other countries in the world.
Problem is we would have to figure out how to do that without letting
the government administer it.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/10/2016 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Amen.
(I was actually hoping the ACA would bring insurance to low income
folks. Didn’t happen. I personally know a handful that tried and
could not get something they could afford. Even the low cost packages
had deductable like $1500. Stay poor and stay on Medicaid was my
advice to them...)
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 2:17 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
The trouble with facts is the government is in charge of keeping them
so it is very difficult to get a real picture of what has or is going on.
What is a surplus? well, most administrations that I remember state
that they have a surplus when the money they spent was less than they
were going to spend or the money they were going to spend was less
than what they took in.
None of how the government accounts for money would work for anyone
who can't print their own. It doesn't matter who is in charge, it is
extremely difficult to plow through all the BS they throw up to get to
the real numbers. Doesn't matter if it is deportations and what counts
as one, "saving money" and what counts as that, some word called
winning which I'll be damned if I know what that means anymore. Trump
uses that word a lot but I am not sure he can explain what he mans by it.
I just had to turn the debate off. It is just so hard to imagine that
we are in this mess. But democracy is messy. The good news is that the
president can hardly ruin everything without a lot of cooperation.
Even Obama could barely get healthcare passed with both houses. Both
of these characters are so well hated by so many I can't imagine they
will be able to do anything but appoint people and make executive orders.
Of course, it is better for the economy when congress can't pass laws
anyway.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM Robert Andrews
<[email protected]> wrote:
The jist of what I said earlier is that Trump is there to make others
look good _BY Comparison_... When looked at on absolute scales other
things may be observed...
On 10/10/2016 12:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the world; as
> opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no one other
> than himself or his "companies".
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation...
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and
passed the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it
takes two to
>>> tango.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>> Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to be
sitting
>>>> on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god.. Then he
>>>> signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in 50 years
>>>> against advice on the last few days of his presidency.. Not
inspiring
>>>> in any way... But we are now wedged and your advice is
correct. We
>>>> will survive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a BC
on her
>>>> last days in office.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech boom
and the
>>>>> advent
>>>>> of the commercial internet. That is what produced the
surplus, he
>>>>> just
>>>>> lucked out. His decisions to deregulate mortgage banking is
what
>>>>> brought us all back down in 2008.
>>>>> I have told former business partners (upon learning of their
>>>>> infidelity)
>>>>> if you will cheat on your spouse you sure as hell will cheat me.
>>>>> In my mind the game is over. 4 years of watching something
that could
>>>>> have been so much better lies ahead. Been through it
before, can
>>>>> endure
>>>>> it again.
>>>>> Winston Churchill said Democracy is the WORST form of
governments....
>>>>> except for all the others.
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
>>>>> Now you sound like my Trump loving buddy....state facts.....not
>>>>> shit you
>>>>> hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch..
>>>>> Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husband....I don't mince words)
>>>>> balanced the
>>>>> budget and we had a surplus....a Democrat..but he didn't do it
>>>>> BFM...(By
>>>>> Fucking Magic for you hard of hearing)...it took both sides
to get
>>>>> those
>>>>> things going....Knock Obama all you want, you do anyways, but he
>>>>> inherited a shit storm and even with all the Republican
resistance,
>>>>> got
>>>>> us out of the recession. Trump used the recession to make
>>>>> money..(fact...like Potter in Capra's movie)...Trump keeps
blaming
>>>>> Obama
>>>>> for ISIS!!! really.....lets revise history like our Texas
Board of
>>>>> Education does all the time.....Wrong is wrong, no matter
who does
>>>>> it....Clinton, Trump, Kennedy and other presidents cheated
on their
>>>>> wives...I bought out my first business partner for just
>>>>> that...cheating
>>>>> on his wife and children...Guess I am old school, but if a man
>>>>> cheats on
>>>>> those close to him, where the hell do I stand in that
relationship?
>>>>> Goes to character and morals.....yes we joke on this list allot
>>>>> including sexual ones....but I have never read anything on
this list
>>>>> about thinking its okay to grope women because you are rich or a
>>>>> celebrity...or worse call one of you daughters voluptuous ...NBC
>>>>> suspended Billy Bush but only after extreme pressure from social
>>>>> media....Chump says he uses it and in the end the media is what
>>>>> will do
>>>>> him in....Listen carefully..THIS IS NO FUCKING REALITY SHOW
YOU MORON
>>>>> TRUMP!!! I know those who approve of him will stay loyal
up to the
>>>>> election....Like I said before and I say it again...It
reminds of
>>>>> Hitlers followers....they knew it was wrong but didn't give a
>>>>> shit....sorry muchachos, that Make America Great Again dream
will not
>>>>> ever be back again, keeping kicking the sleeping
giant.....too many of
>>>>> us are educated now and we can vote....as much as you want
to change
>>>>> voting laws to keep us out, it will not work......lets see
how it
>>>>> plays
>>>>> out on November 8th....
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>> 915-861-1390 <tel:%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Wireless Administrator
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for
>>>>> you, ask
>>>>> what you can do for your country.”____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT !
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF:____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *$19,493,291,113,808____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s hard for me to believe that ANY of the other issues
matter.
>>>>> I’m not afraid of a president that might hurt someone’s
>>>>> feelings on
>>>>> the way to fixing the mess we’re in. ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve B.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>
>
