If they do not include tort reform in the equation, it is never going to
change.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 3:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
I don’t know specifically about the UK, but most of Europe has a high
VAT which is a very regressive tax. But that is offset by many
government funded social services, free college tuition, stuff like that.
Politicians here in the US tend to ignore that you can’t have one
without the other.
Kind of like requiring insurance companies to insure everyone even those
with pre-existing conditions, goes along with the individual mandate so
healthy young people can’t opt out (and then sign up when they get
sick). Politicians will propose getting rid of one but keeping the
other, which will not fly. The politicians probably know better, but
they are pandering. Well, some are pandering, some may actually think
you can eat the cow and still get milk.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 4:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
Hi,
Just curious, do you know what her tax rates are like? It seems like the
money has to come from somewhere for National Health Care, so I'm
curious if it's part of their income tax structure, or somewhere else?
Travis
On 10/10/2016 3:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Some things should not see competition.
Municipal water and sewer systems for example. Streets, roads and
highways.
One can make a pretty good argument for the power company. Gas
company.
Less so for Telco and CATV.
So what is healthcare? Similar to national defense? We already
have 5-6 branches of the armed forces duplicating services there.
Similar to public education? We have competition there too. (Are
the Merchant Marine their own branch?)
I have a daughter that lives in England. She loves the National
Health System. And they have private doctors if they want them too.
Somebody will win a nobel prize in economics if they can model this
and produce the correct answer.
*From:*Lewis Bergman
*Sent:*Monday, October 10, 2016 2:47 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
I struggle to recall much of anything that thrives, innovates, and
is efficient without competition.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
I still think that it would be better with a single payer system
like what's in use in most other countries in the world.
Problem is we would have to figure out how to do that without
letting the government administer it.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/10/2016 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Amen.
(I was actually hoping the ACA would bring insurance to low
income folks. Didn’t happen. I personally know a handful
that tried and could not get something they could afford.
Even the low cost packages had deductable like $1500. Stay
poor and stay on Medicaid was my advice to them...)
*From:*Lewis Bergman
*Sent:*Monday, October 10, 2016 2:17 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
The trouble with facts is the government is in charge of
keeping them so it is very difficult to get a real picture
of what has or is going on.
What is a surplus? well, most administrations that I
remember state that they have a surplus when the money they
spent was less than they were going to spend or the money
they were going to spend was less than what they took in.
None of how the government accounts for money would work for
anyone who can't print their own. It doesn't matter who is
in charge, it is extremely difficult to plow through all the
BS they throw up to get to the real numbers. Doesn't matter
if it is deportations and what counts as one, "saving money"
and what counts as that, some word called winning which I'll
be damned if I know what that means anymore. Trump uses that
word a lot but I am not sure he can explain what he mans by it.
I just had to turn the debate off. It is just so hard to
imagine that we are in this mess. But democracy is messy.
The good news is that the president can hardly ruin
everything without a lot of cooperation. Even Obama could
barely get healthcare passed with both houses. Both of these
characters are so well hated by so many I can't imagine they
will be able to do anything but appoint people and make
executive orders.
Of course, it is better for the economy when congress can't
pass laws anyway.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
The jist of what I said earlier is that Trump is there
to make others
look good _BY Comparison_... When looked at on
absolute scales other
things may be observed...
On 10/10/2016 12:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The Clinton Foundation has actuallydone some good in the
world; as
> opposed to the other guy's. His"Foundation" has served no one
other
> than himself or his"companies".
>
>
> bp
><part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/10/2016 12:48PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Yep and that was the start of theClinton Foundation...
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM,Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Don't forget it was a republicancongress that wrote and
passed the
>>>legislation.
>>>
>>> I'm not taking him off thehook, just pointing out that it
takes two to
>>>tango.
>>>
>>>
>>>bp
>>><part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>> Onceagain, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to
be
sitting
>>>> on a mountain of money and it made him looklike a god..
Then he
>>>> signed the dumbest piece oflegislature to come along in 50
years
>>>> against adviceon the last few days of his presidency..
Not inspiring
>>>> in any way... But we are nowwedged and your advice is
correct. We
>>>> willsurvive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a BC
on her
>>>> last days inoffice.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM,Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> Bill Clinton just happenedto coincide with the tech boom
and the
>>>>>advent
>>>>> of the commercial internet. That iswhat produced the
surplus, he
>>>>>just
>>>>> lucked out. His decisions toderegulate mortgage banking
is what
>>>>> brought usall back down in 2008.
>>>>> I have told formerbusiness partners (upon learning of
their
>>>>>infidelity)
>>>>> if you will cheat on your spouse yousure as hell will
cheat me.
>>>>> In my mind the gameis over. 4 years of watching
something that could
>>>>> have been so much better lies ahead.Been through it
before, can
>>>>>endure
>>>>> it again.
>>>>> WinstonChurchill said Democracy is the WORST form of
governments....
>>>>> except for all theothers.
>>>>> *From:* JaimeSolorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
>>>>> Now yousound like my Trump loving buddy....state
facts.....not
>>>>> shit you
>>>>>hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch..
>>>>>Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husband....I don't mince words)
>>>>> balanced the
>>>>>budget and we had a surplus....a Democrat..but he didn't
do it
>>>>> BFM...(By
>>>>> FuckingMagic for you hard of hearing)...it took both
sides to get
>>>>> those
>>>>> thingsgoing....Knock Obama all you want, you do anyways,
but he
>>>>> inherited a shit storm and even with all theRepublican
resistance,
>>>>>got
>>>>> us out of the recession. Trumpused the recession to make
>>>>> money..(fact...likePotter in Capra's movie)...Trump keeps
blaming
>>>>>Obama
>>>>> for ISIS!!! really.....lets revise historylike our Texas
Board of
>>>>> Education does all thetime.....Wrong is wrong, no matter
who does
>>>>>it....Clinton, Trump, Kennedy and other presidents
cheated on their
>>>>> wives...I bought out my first businesspartner for just
>>>>>that...cheating
>>>>> on his wife and children...GuessI am old school, but if a
man
>>>>> cheatson
>>>>> those close to him, where the hell do I standin that
relationship?
>>>>> Goes to character andmorals.....yes we joke on this list
allot
>>>>>including sexual ones....but I have never read anything
on this list
>>>>> about thinking its okay to grope womenbecause you are
rich or a
>>>>> celebrity...or worsecall one of you daughters voluptuous
...NBC
>>>>>suspended Billy Bush but only after extreme pressure
from social
>>>>> media....Chump says he uses it and in theend the media is
what
>>>>> willdo
>>>>> him in....Listen carefully..THIS IS NOFUCKING REALITY
SHOW YOU MORON
>>>>>TRUMP!!! I know those who approve of him will stay
loyal up to the
>>>>> election....Like I said before and I sayit again...It
reminds of
>>>>> Hitlersfollowers....they knew it was wrong but didn't
give a
>>>>> shit....sorry muchachos, that Make AmericaGreat Again
dream will not
>>>>> ever be back again,keeping kicking the sleeping
giant.....too many of
>>>>> us are educated now and we can vote....asmuch as you want
to change
>>>>> voting laws to keepus out, it will not work......lets see
how it
>>>>>plays
>>>>> out on November8th....
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>>915-861-1390 <tel:%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10,2016 at 11:00 AM, Wireless Administrator
>>>>><wirel...@htn.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>*“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for
>>>>> you,ask
>>>>> what you can do foryour country.”____*
>>>>>
>>>>>*____*
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT !
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF:____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>*$19,493,291,113,808____*
>>>>>
>>>>>*____*
>>>>>
>>>>>It’s hard for me to believe that ANY of the other issues
matter.
>>>>> I’m not afraidof a president that might hurt someone’s
>>>>>feelings on
>>>>> the way tofixing the mess we’re in. ____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve B.____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>>>____
>>>>>
>>>
>
