The party system entrenched here is aweful. Look at the right, Paul Ryan became a democrat, whether he wants to admit it or not. Every jack off in office who pulled support for the duly elected candidate is in fact endorsing the opposing party, no matter what kind of pretty cockring you put on the schlong.
It is what it is I honestly don't see a way to break the two party system a without a civil war. A real civil war in th us will en in a split state. We will lose some, Alaska sand Texas in particular. End of the day we will end with 5 to 10 less states, some rogue nations on North america. No matter what no one on this list would see a clear solution in their lifetime. That's not bad, as long as in the end everyone looks to the viability of their grandkids kids. The left isn't capable of that. And we sure as shit don't want right wing rogue states in our back yard On Oct 16, 2016 10:24 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Our party system is out of control. We look down at areas of the world > where politics is tribal, but here we just call it party instead of tribe. > Politicians are described as R or D, rather than who they are supposedly > representing, and they are expected to follow the party line. Worse, the > parties fall down miserably on their one job which is to find, groom and > run qualified candidates. The Republicans are particularly at fault, yeah > they had 18 candidates, all second rate. If there had been a first rate > candidate for people to rally around, we wouldn’t have the Trumpster. I > distinctly remember this being how we got George W. Bush, the GOP couldn’t > come up with any good candidates, so they went to someone with name > recognition. > > > > Then there is the problem of getting “primaried” from the left or right, > plus the gerrymandered House districts. I hate to say it, but we were > probably better off when candidates were picked in “smoke filled rooms”, > the current primary and convention system is seriously broken and needs to > be replaced with something completely different. > > > > Bobby Jindal (remember him) famously told his party it needed to stop > being the “stupid party”, he was not a particularly strong candidate, but > in light of what’s happened since, it’s interesting to read his critique: > > > > http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/279243-jindal- > republicans-must-stop-being-the-stupid-party > > > > I checked and he didn’t invent the stupid party idea: > > > > “We have two parties here, and only two. One is the evil party, and the > other is the stupid party. ... I'm very proud to be a member of the stupid > party. ... Occasionally, the two parties get together to do something > that's both evil and stupid. That's called bipartisanship.” > > - M. Stanton Evans > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:54 PM > *To:* af <firstname.lastname@example.org> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > > > Not sure which email to reply to to insert my thoughts....guess this is as > good of a choice as any. > > If there is one thing which is painfully obvious to me in this election is > that we really need to change the way we elect our president so that people > can feel empowered to vote their conscience and for the candidates they > actually want, instead of voting to keep one or the other candidate out of > office. An incredible number of people in this election are actually > casting their votes out of fear that one or the other one will get in > office. > > There are lots of ways to fix this. .. ranked voting being one of > them. We just as a country need to decide to take our own advice and > implement a system like this. (We actually tell other countries that it's > important to enable this type of voter empowerment) > > > > On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > > Jamie, you are absolutely correct... > > > The sad part of the whole affair is that, > > > > The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving > exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave > this way....and obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, > ......while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit > when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, > humanity, equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. ! > > > > > > :( > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <email@example.com> > *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the > Japanese one as well. Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability > to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader > perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree > with me > .. > > > > On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote: > > Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now … > > > > You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a > german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it > is just loud and trashy. > > > > If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g. > > http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump- > hillary-clinton-auswirkungen > > > > It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. > What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be > elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican > Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior. > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43 > *An:* firstname.lastname@example.org > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > > > I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or > he will be confused, insulted, or both. > > Or did you mean yet another Stefon? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM > *To:* email@example.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > > > Stefon, > > > > Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called: > > Trump’s P*ssy Grab > > It has democrat midgets you can throw, > > A cage full of undocumented Mexicans > > And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants > > > > Or did you mean another Stefan? > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM > > *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk > rebellion,assassination at his rallies > > > > You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right? > > > > Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM > *To:* email@example.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > > > Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to > organize the message? They left serious new journalism a long time ago. > Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that. The only > ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt > *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM > *To:* firstname.lastname@example.org > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination at his rallies > > > > Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and > made for people who barely could read but don't understand. > > But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad > picture of US to other nations. > > > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> > Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00) > An: email@example.com > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination > at his rallies > > > >