at least **something** went to charity. trump's foundation went to...trump and buying off politicians
</ducking> -sean On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > Adam, I understand what you are saying but that independent audit was > about as independent as the FBI investigation. You are categorizing by > destination of funds, not what was actually spent on the charity target > itself. If you break down the spending in each target category, the spent > very, very little as the IRS showed. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 12:02 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics > > > > Sorry, but no that's completely backwards. > > > > The 6% or so is the amount they re-donate to other charities. I.E.: Not > counting the work the foundation itself actually does. The source for the > 5.7 or 6% number you see quoted around is an IRS Form 990. An audit by a > third party came up with the 89% number. > > > > Keeping in mind that the audit makes no claims about the effectiveness of > their programs, just in how the money was spent. That also doesn't say > anything about whether anything criminal did or didn't happen with regards > to the organization. > > > > I am not voting for Clinton or supporting Clinton. I just prefer if > discussions stay factual. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Rory Conaway" <*r...@triadwireless.net* <r...@triadwireless.net>> > > To: "af@afmug.com" <*af@afmug.com* <af@afmug.com>> > > Sent: 10/17/2016 2:20:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics > > > > That was the public relations story until the IRS came through and did an > audit. The 5.7% was their number. Robert Farley and Factcheck are wrong. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > *To:* *af@afmug.com* <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics > > > > *http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/* > <http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/> > > "Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton > Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded > <https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478> > about > 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent > on charity in 2013, he said. > > We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and > calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going > toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported > expenses. > > We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in > the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only > steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a > misunderstanding of how public charities work. > > *— Robert Farley"* > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Rory Conaway <*r...@triadwireless.net* > <r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: > > You mean the 5.7% of the income they actually spent on charities or the > 94% they spent on salaries, travel, and other expenses? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Sam Morris > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:50 AM > To: *af@afmug.com* <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics > > Or the thousands pf people employed by his companies. > > On 10/10/2016 2:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the world; as > > opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no one other > > than himself or his "companies". > > > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation... > >> > >> On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>> Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and passed the > >>> legislation. > >>> > >>> I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it takes two > >>> to tango. > >>> > >>> > >>> bp > >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>> > >>> On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >>>> Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to be sitting > >>>> on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god.. Then he > >>>> signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in 50 years > >>>> against advice on the last few days of his presidency.. Not inspiring > >>>> in any way... But we are now wedged and your advice is correct. We > >>>> will survive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a BC on her > >>>> last days in office. > >>>> > >>>> On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>>>> Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech boom and the > >>>>> advent of the commercial internet. That is what produced the > >>>>> surplus, he just lucked out. His decisions to deregulate mortgage > >>>>> banking is what brought us all back down in 2008. > >>>>> I have told former business partners (upon learning of their > >>>>> infidelity) > >>>>> if you will cheat on your spouse you sure as hell will cheat me. > >>>>> In my mind the game is over. 4 years of watching something that > >>>>> could have been so much better lies ahead. Been through it > >>>>> before, can endure it again. > >>>>> Winston Churchill said Democracy is the WORST form of governments.... > >>>>> except for all the others. > >>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza > >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 AM > >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Now you sound like my Trump > >>>>> loving buddy....state facts.....not shit you hear from Hannity, > >>>>> OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch.. > >>>>> Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husband....I don't mince words) > >>>>> balanced the budget and we had a surplus....a Democrat..but he > >>>>> didn't do it BFM...(By Fucking Magic for you hard of hearing)...it > >>>>> took both sides to get those things going....Knock Obama all you > >>>>> want, you do anyways, but he inherited a shit storm and even with > >>>>> all the Republican resistance, got > >>>>> us out of the recession. Trump used the recession to make > >>>>> money..(fact...like Potter in Capra's movie)...Trump keeps blaming > >>>>> Obama for ISIS!!! really.....lets revise history like our Texas > >>>>> Board of Education does all the time.....Wrong is wrong, no matter > >>>>> who does it....Clinton, Trump, Kennedy and other presidents > >>>>> cheated on their wives...I bought out my first business partner > >>>>> for just that...cheating on his wife and children...Guess I am old > >>>>> school, but if a man cheats on those close to him, where the hell > >>>>> do I stand in that relationship? > >>>>> Goes to character and morals.....yes we joke on this list allot > >>>>> including sexual ones....but I have never read anything on this > >>>>> list about thinking its okay to grope women because you are rich > >>>>> or a celebrity...or worse call one of you daughters voluptuous > >>>>> ...NBC suspended Billy Bush but only after extreme pressure from > >>>>> social media....Chump says he uses it and in the end the media is > >>>>> what will do him in....Listen carefully..THIS IS NO FUCKING > >>>>> REALITY SHOW YOU MORON > >>>>> TRUMP!!! I know those who approve of him will stay loyal up to the > >>>>> election....Like I said before and I say it again...It reminds of > >>>>> Hitlers followers....they knew it was wrong but didn't give a > >>>>> shit....sorry muchachos, that Make America Great Again dream will > >>>>> not ever be back again, keeping kicking the sleeping giant.....too > >>>>> many of us are educated now and we can vote....as much as you want > >>>>> to change voting laws to keep us out, it will not work......lets > >>>>> see how it plays out on November 8th.... > >>>>> Jaime Solorza > >>>>> Wireless Systems Architect > >>>>> 915-861-1390 > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Wireless Administrator > >>>>> <*wirel...@htn.net* <wirel...@htn.net>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> *“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for > >>>>> you, ask > >>>>> what you can do for your country.”____* > >>>>> > >>>>> *____* > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT ! > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF:____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> *$19,493,291,113,808____* > >>>>> > >>>>> *____* > >>>>> > >>>>> It’s hard for me to believe that ANY of the other issues matter. > >>>>> I’m not afraid of a president that might hurt someone’s > >>>>> feelings on > >>>>> the way to fixing the mess we’re in. ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve B.____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> > >>> > > > > > > > >
