I would certainly offer some advanced life support in the form of paying the 
upstream provider a bit to keep them lit until you can dig in and assess the 
opportunity.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:58 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wisp hanging on by a thread

Could you negotiate with their upstream yourself if you did decide to buy them? 
Then it wouldn't take any time to get back online assuming the old provider 
would continue to provide services. Is the failing WISP just in arrears to 
their provider? 

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

  Yeah... all you really need (or probably even want) is their actual network 
(tower rentals, the gear on said towers, and CPE, if they own those) and the 
customer list... if there's no real alternative, I suspect you'd get the 
majority of the customers if you can get them back up within a month or so.


  On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> 
wrote:


    still waiting to hear any preliminaries but if they only took the "head 
end" and the tower rentals are just that - rentals - well, i don't need their 
head end....

    but yes, need a lot more information before i can make any educated 
decisions.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Josh Luthman 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:02 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wisp hanging on by a thread

      Normally it's as simple as: How much does it cost?  How much can you 
make? 

      In this case...can they sell?  Bank took everything, what assets can they 
sell to you?


      Josh Luthman
      Office: 937-552-2340
      Direct: 937-552-2343
      1100 Wayne St
      Suite 1337
      Troy, OH 45373


      On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<[email protected]> wrote:


        So there is a WISP near us who we recently started coordinating with on 
frequencies, etc.

        Last Friday, the reached out and asked if we'd like to buy them.

        Then later that day they stated they were in a contract negotiation 
with their bandwidth provider and didn't see a solution.

        Over the weekend I spoke with someone else who had been affiliated with 
this company and basically their NOC has been
        repossessed by the bank.

        Monday they reached out and asked if we might sell them bandwidth.  I 
told them we'd discuss it internally.

        Today I see on their facebook page their fiber is down - so this is day 
one of their going away, I'd assume.

        There is likely no time left for vetting or due diligence on reviewing 
this ISP for purchase so at this point it is likely a long shot.

        My question - I assume you would all advise run run run as fast as you 
can.

        From the time a WISP loses their bandwidth (and thus can't provide 
service) what is the rate of customer exodus?
        If we came to an agreement and resumed services say - just in time for 
Christmas - what percentage would you all guess
        the customer base would have departed?

        I am told they have 250 + or -

        I don't know if they're in an area where they are losing to the 
incumbent phone provider or cable provider.
        (I know they are in centurylink territory)

        I know our closest tower to them is 18 miles - but they're probably six 
hops from our head end.

        Merry Christmas. :)

        Thanks in advance.





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