So it's not that I have anything offensive to say about the FCC, just an
unpopular opinion. As federal agencies go, the FCC is relatively
unoffensive and low budget, so if I were the supreme libertarian
dictator of the universe (see the irony?) they would not be the first
agency I would pick on.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/1/2017 4:04:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10
years there isn’t anything that I have not called them already.
Mark
On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business
investment, not the politics.
I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any
business funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions
about the FCC that you don't want to hear.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Adam,
So 2 questions for you (or anyone)…
Do you think the government should fund private companies to build
fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not
the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to
effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is
it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free
market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a
monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and
long term harm to the consumer. The latter takes longer but has a
better chance of staying competitive.
The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to
happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political
chance of that happening.
Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are
giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why
should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model?
Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that
the model will actually work, but that’s another story.
I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I
want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that
government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and
often result in significant harm.
As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the
towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating
micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think
that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me.
Mark
On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
wrote:
I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than
1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about
how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all
their entertainment.
Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity
as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp
service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable
future.
Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the
standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need
of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you
build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still
clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced.
There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless,
and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and
permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay
relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that
game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy.
This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to
succeed.....but facts is facts.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the
current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is
easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb. I
still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than
sufficient for the services that the government should be
guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about
entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a
taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too
- but I don’t expect the government to fund them.
The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they
can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless
if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think
it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the
city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in
rural areas?
The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years
(intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish
it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded
to broadband.
Mark
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
[email protected]
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps
1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing
to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for
one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively
service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big
telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected]> wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground
and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade
from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of
stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how
the need more support money to fix the plant. The only
question is if they do it this year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
[email protected]
419-261-5996 <tel:(419)%20261-5996>
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
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From: "Darin Steffl" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF
funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the
bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]> wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane,
100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even
feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet
circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used
in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these
shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago,
Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
<[email protected]> wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of
CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds
to the census blocks they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before,
expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to
excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote
DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1
Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
<[email protected]>wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
<https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html>
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected]>wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: "Carl Peterson" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
<[email protected]> wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up
on fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
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