That's a solid point.
I think ISDN could have gotten a lot more traction in the late 90's if
it could have been priced lower, but it would be just as useless today.
It is hard to imagine a world where an ethernet strand can't provide
enough capacity for a house, but we can't really know.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/1/2017 3:07:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Justify plowing 20 miles of fiber to serve one house any way you want,
you’re rationalizing.
How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still
look “future proof”? Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio
and non-flying cars and meat made from animals?
I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because
in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a
16 kbps data channel and “integrated services”. The Germans installed
a lot of ISDN BRI and mocked us for not following their example. This
was 20 years ago, and the futurists all had $1000 ISDN modems in their
houses so they could spend half an hour downloading a photo from a
bulletin board.
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:55 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than
1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how
they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their
entertainment.
Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as
long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service
makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the
standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of
today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build
anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring
for improvement and it will end up being replaced.
There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless,
and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and
permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant
in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether
it's with private funding or government subsidy.
This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to
succeed.....but facts is facts.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the
current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily
done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb. I still
think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than
sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing
(phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment
than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer
obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I
don’t expect the government to fund them.
The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can
and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they
can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be
long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no
longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas?
The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate
phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of
death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband.
Mark
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
[email protected]
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1
house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to
build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one
single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively
service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big
telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected]> wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and
the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from
black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the
need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if
they do it this year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
[email protected]
419-261-5996 <tel:(419)%20261-5996>
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
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From: "Darin Steffl" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding
are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth
requirements with only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]> wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane,
100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed
those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I
never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past
though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these
shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest
was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
<[email protected]> wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the
census blocks they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before,
expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to
excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote
DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1
Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
<[email protected]> wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected]> wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: "Carl Peterson" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
<[email protected]> wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on
fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
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