I have a dialog running with one of them right now and will pose these questions.
From: Paul McCall Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations Works for me – the Mailman list services. I think if someone who is willing to ultimately provide support for it does their due diligence on a specific host, you can try it. We had looked at a couple of these when Chuck and I were first considering solutions and the support was negligible on the ones we looked at. Our use of AWS outside of the AFMUG list was minimal and short lived. The $ 64K questions on switching, for me, would be… a.. Do they ever get blacklisted and what do they do about it? b.. Do they offer support when someone says the “list isn’t working, I can’t get signed up, etc. etc.” ? and who interacts with them to bring about resolution? c.. Do they deal with “firewalls” like Baracuda which are sometimes quick to mark things as SPAM? We also had looked at Yahoo and Google groups when we were bouncing ideas around and I signed up for both of them. There were specific limitations on each but I don’t recall what they were. It was 2.5 years ago. We certainly weren’t vying to spend money on a solution at that time. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 5:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations The list as it has been running has been fine, but I had no idea it was costing so much. If Paul had other things he was using AWS for, and this was some sort of "bonus", then NBD. But it sounds like AWS was only being used for this list? If this is the case, it seems like too much solution for a relatively simple problem. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/6/2017 2:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Some of us will be at AnimalFarm. We will kick it around there. Seems to me like zero headache solution for Paul and the rest of us. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations And there is also this list of (at least) a couple dozen different options. Some roll your own; some hosted. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/6/2017 2:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote: There is also Yahoo Groups and Google Groups, which are both free (ad supported). Our neighborhood group has been using Yahoo Groups for almost 15 years without incident. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/6/2017 1:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: List hosting: https://www.emwd.com/mailman-hosting/ Looks like $3 per month. Not sure about own domain name. http://www.mailmanlists.net/pricing ... Pro list, $4/month. (your own domain). http://www.mailmanhost.com/ $3/month. Again, not sure about domain name. More listed here: https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: Yeah, that was kind of the thing Josh. Someone to deal with things that came up. Most of us got OUT of the mail server business and let the big boys deal with it. For use, AWS was a sure thing on the fact that their very tight ship ensures that things are deliverable without drama. However, If someone already has a bunch of Mailman experience and can deal with the receiving mail server issues AND not get blacklisted, then it’s not “a thing”. If they don’t, well…. then it most definitely IS a thing J Our original concept that we needed AWS for was quite simple. The email portion is the only part that got complicated. The Mailman instance has a fair amount of customization on its current instance to make it intertwine properly with AWS, so if someone wants to take that one, they also need to consider that they will mostly be starting from scratch on Mailman configuration, etc. I have to say though, there is something to be said for the fact that …. now, it just runs and runs. I wouldn’t take a Cambium solution and downgrade it to UBNT just because it is “price disruptive”. We are glad to continue to admin it. Contributions towards the AWS of course are nice. But, its Chuck’s list and his decision. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 1:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations Right but who's going to manage the box and fix all the list issues? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote: Many folks are leaving the cloud due to costs. We, like a lot of others on this list, can help. I have space in a tierIV data center. We can spin up a VM or do a dedicated box if someone wants to send one. We have been buying Dell R710s on eBay for $200 and $200 in new drives and you are set. We also have some R900s on the way we could spin up a couple of redundant VMs. Just throwing that out there. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric On Mar 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: No, we just transferred all the politics over to Mikes FB page... ;-) From: Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations This list is a useful tool, and I definitely appreciate the time and expense that everyone has put forward to keep it going. That being said, I don't think it is worth that amount at all whatsoever. That just seems like a crazy amount of money for what basically amounts to a redundant list. Now that the republicans on the list are requesting it as a 'safe space' free from politics, it is hard to see where there is still a need that justifies that expense. On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: 3 years ago, when my (still current but estranged) business partners gave me 30 days to vacate the server farm, Paul really saved the day. I think he was perfecting his application of ASW for other things at the time so it was perhaps a bit experimental at the time. I have always really appreciated what he did for us. I don’t think it would hurt his feelings if someone else wanted to host it. There is the list serv and a web site (that has not really been kept up to date). I have offered to cover the cost of the AWS. A am OK with anything. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations $250/mo to host a single mailing list is well.. insane. I certainly appreciate Paul hosting the site (and paying these crazy monthly charges), but I can't help it to question if AWS makes sense for this specific application. On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: If we can get 14 people to donate $150 each we're set for the year... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: Guys, $ 970 in contributions have come in so far on supporting AFMUG and are much appreciated. I checked with Amazon on the support consideration (currently paying $ 100 for that). Unfortunately, to have support available on the API (which is needed on the mailing part) , we have to keep the $ 100 monthly support plan. There is no pay per incident for the API level plan, and if you are haven't paid for the plan previously when there is an incident, you can't buy it and then cancel it etc.. The monthly recurring AWS costs since October 2014, has averaged $ 249.34. So, figure an annual cost of $ 2992 in AWS fees. Probably, a little expensive but I am glad to continue it. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 12:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations And would have saved a lot of trees in the process. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 9:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations Sad, a death that could have been prevented by a decent broadband connection. -----Original Message----- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations I don't know, Friday Funnies would be missed. Then there are important news things that covers dangers we should all be aware of like the Japanese guy who died when 6 tons of his umm, private magazine collection fell on him. These are dangers we should all be aware of when entering houses for installations. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4278524/Man-dies-six-ton-pile-porn-magazines.html -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations Or if one feels so compelled to post something politically charged, it must be allegorical and use nomenclature relevant to our industry. Ex: If Mimosa truly wanted to convince Ubiquiti supporters that they're being heard, they should prioritize TCP ACK. Chris Wright Network Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations Sounds good! Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 3, 2017, at 5:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > That and shunning political junk. The more I think about it the more > I am liking this list with everything but politics. We all have > wasted too much of our time on that. We can still have all the other fun stuff. > Food, movies, jokes, M-TOW use of the day photos... > > -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 1:03 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Donations > > It may actually be good for some peoples blood pressure. > > Mathew Howard wrote: >> Agreed. It's not going to kill any of us if the list is down for a >> few hours. >> >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Josh Luthman >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%20%3cmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> >> Reduce it. In the rare event there are issues, it's not a >> critical service. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net >> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote: >> >> We received $ 570 in donations so far. Again, thank you. >> >> Its $ 150 a month (round numbers) plus the $ 99 support plan, >> which I might drop and go to pay per incident but its low >> priority support only for that. >> >> Paul >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Friday, March 3, 2017 11:31 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Donations >> >> Paul, did you get enough to cover the year or do you need more? >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall >> *Sent:* Friday, March 3, 2017 9:02 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Donations >> >> For those of you that sent a donation via Paypal to help >> offset a portion of the Amazon hosting costs, thank you for >> the kind gesture. >> >> Paul >> >> Paul McCall, President >> >> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. >> >> 658 Old Dixie Highway >> >> Vero Beach, FL 32962 >> >> 772-564-6800 <tel:%28772%29%20564-6800> >> >> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> >> >> www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com> >> >> www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature> >> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14051 - Release Date: >> 03/03/17 > -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 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