Yeah Figure 8 is the best if you don’t lash. Make sure to put some twists in it between poles otherwise it will dance in the wind and may destroy itself.
From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Figure-8 drop. Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. Not sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility poles out there. On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem. My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile and so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer. I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a mid grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea. We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and 300 households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the surface it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck. -Adam ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to tackle. It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures. Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other ideas. Cheap... you get what you pay for. FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the years to come. Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active ethernet. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's less important to me than having it just work. -Adam ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all is going to be a matter of chance. ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. Jared
