I've got a couple reels of 3/8" steel cable. Definitely not light stuff...
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > 1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing > > 2+2 = 7 > > I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack > either. > > Figure-8 is also wicked heavy. The spool weight will surprise you. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: "[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>" < > [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that. > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft. >> It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >> >> Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8? >> I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral >> with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios. >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Figure-8 drop. >>> >>> Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I >>> assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've >>> got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the >>> only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. Not >>> sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility poles >>> out there. >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural >>>> road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to >>>> put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem. >>>> >>>> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per >>>> mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile >>>> and so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer. >>>> >>>> I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is >>>> pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik >>>> switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a mid >>>> grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share >>>> numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea. >>>> >>>> We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and 300 >>>> households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the surface >>>> it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had >>>>> 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. >>>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like >>>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. >>>>> >>>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the >>>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. >>>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you >>>>> place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on >>>>> new >>>>> greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a >>>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have >>>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >>>>> >>>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >>>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to >>>>> tackle. >>>>> >>>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber >>>>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper >>>>> enclosures. >>>>> Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I >>>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other >>>>>> ideas. >>>>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for. >>>>>> >>>>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around >>>>>> in the years to come. >>>>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go >>>>>> active ethernet. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>> >>>>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to >>>>>> wait >>>>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that >>>>>> other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but >>>>>> that's >>>>>> less important to me than having it just work. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>> >>>>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are >>>>>>>> coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested >>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>> vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> is going to be a matter of chance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with >>>>>>>>> GPON. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>
