"anybody who didn't bring in fill to get above the water should never get a dime"
Of course all that infill in the flood plain just pushes the flood plain somewhere else. I'd say that anyone who infills a flood plain should have to pay for the extra damage that the loss of flood plain caused. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same > thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the > water should never get a dime > > On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an >> avalanche up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept >> getting hit every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything >> in it's path and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to >> rebuild in the same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop >> building in the path of the avalanche!?!?" >> >> just wondering ;-) >> >> -sean >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to >>> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our >>> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if >>> necessary. We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed... >>> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food. >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they >>>> flooded? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage >>>> >>>> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the >>>> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was >>>> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city >>>> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so >>>> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all >>>> flooded. >>>> >>>> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this >>>> seems really flawed IMHO. >>>> >>>> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?! >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 >>>>>> members... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I >>>>>>> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after >>>>>>> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever >>>>>>> got >>>>>>> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The >>>>>>> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving >>>>>>> target >>>>>>> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may >>>>>>> soon be >>>>>>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred >>>>>>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting >>>>>>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already >>>>>>> mobilized >>>>>>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry >>>>>>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered >>>>>>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms >>>>>>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get >>>>>>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted >>>>>>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Was reading at&t is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up >>>>>>>> basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out >>>>>>>> streaming >>>>>>>> and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be >>>>>>>> people who try suing for it not being "open internet' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of >>>>>>>>> fuel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for posting these >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from >>>>>>>>>> Aug 26 to Aug 27 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf >>>>>>>>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report) >>>>>>>>>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on >>>>>>>>>> Aug 26 report) >>>>>>>>>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 >>>>>>>>>> report) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks >>>>>>>>>> like they come out at 11:30 each morning >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From NANOG last night..... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and >>>>>>>>>>> KAYK) >>>>>>>>>>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 >>>>>>>>>>> switching centers >>>>>>>>>>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power) >>>>>>>>>>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San >>>>>>>>>>> Patricio, TX have >>>>>>>>>>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service) >>>>>>>>>>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of >>>>>>>>>>> service. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain >>>>>>>>>>>> areas, with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport >>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be >>>>>>>>>>>> the hardest hit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hill Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and >>>>>>>>>>>>> especially Houston but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble >>>>>>>>>>>>> Falls, >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I have some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
