They may be counting on letting the stakes raise enough until they can say "Hey, we'll take care of this NK problem for you if you concede the SC sea..."
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: > That sounds like the "checkers defense" I think this is more chess. Keep > us worried about nukes in N. Korea and we won't worry about movements in the > south china sea... > > On 09/04/2017 10:21 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> There is no way China let's North Korea affect their economy. They will >> take Kim out long before that happens. >> >> The only reason the Chinese Communist Party stays in power is because of >> its economy. And that control only works if growth is at 7% or more. If >> that growth stagnates or their economy gets worse, their power erodes >> quickly. >> >> The Chinese like having North Korea as a buffer on their border. They >> know if there is a war, South Korea will take it over and they lose that >> buffer. And if there is a war, they are going to be blamed and the U.S. is >> going to be far more than just pissed off over this. Given their 2 choices, >> I say they take Kim out before that happens. >> >> Rory >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:03 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... >> >>> We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. >> >> >> No, that's folly. >> >> It's economic M.A.D. It would crash both the US and Chinese economies... >> would also impact Taiwan / HK. >> >> As far as tech stuff, we'd be fucked for a few years. China has 85-95% of >> the world's rare earth mining capacity used in things we use every day, from >> watches, phones, cars, drones, military equipment, medical equipment, things >> NASA depends on, etc. They have roughly 1/3rd of the world's rare earth >> deposits, but there is no production really spun up anywhere else. We have a >> place in California, and friends in Australia, but those facilities are >> closed due to the low Chinese prices. >> >> If you thought the crashes of 2000/2008 were bad, imagine 25-35% >> unemployment that would largely not be soaked up by newly opened US >> facilities due to the cost of manufacturing here. >> >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Foxconn is coming here (IPhone) >>> Taiwan is hoping this goes down, their sovereignty is on the table >>> Philippines and Malaysia used to produce, probably a lot of shuttered >>> factories we haven't closed the door on cuba yet There is no shortage >>> of slave labor nations, china knows this. >>> When you rely on the spoils of slaver and servitude such as we do, its >>> best to spread the risk around, and that's what we are poised to do >>> with this. It will hurt in the wallet for a time, but in the end, we >>> would be better, critical components will make their way back to >>> silicon valley, the rest of the stuff will spread out. >>> >>> We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The short version of this, is that for the first time since April >>>> 30th, 1975 (end of Vietnam War) the American people might actually >>>> realize we are at war. They've largely been excluded from that fact >>>> for almost 17 years now. This however, would be a much more >>>> conventional battle. We are REALLY good at those, or at least we were >>>> at one time. >>>> >>>> The alternative is that North Korean continues their program to >>>> increase their range, accuracy, explosive potential, and eventually a >>>> multi-warhead (MIRV) situation. There have been some links in the >>>> past between NK and Iran, so if NK ends up being successful, Iran >>>> would likely be quick to follow. >>>> >>>> None of this is any good. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for >>>>> North Korea what does this mean for wireless radios that are made >>>>> in China? Will we not be able to import them anymore? We rely quite >>>>> a bit on products made in China for our everyday lives. I use alot >>>>> of Ubiquiti products and if i can no longer get those my WISP >>>>> operations would be severely crippled... >>> >>> >>> >> >
