Good point. It has distracted us from their other expansionism. Rory
-----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... That sounds like the "checkers defense" I think this is more chess. Keep us worried about nukes in N. Korea and we won't worry about movements in the south china sea... On 09/04/2017 10:21 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > There is no way China let's North Korea affect their economy. They will take > Kim out long before that happens. > > The only reason the Chinese Communist Party stays in power is because of its > economy. And that control only works if growth is at 7% or more. If that > growth stagnates or their economy gets worse, their power erodes quickly. > > The Chinese like having North Korea as a buffer on their border. They know > if there is a war, South Korea will take it over and they lose that buffer. > And if there is a war, they are going to be blamed and the U.S. is going to > be far more than just pissed off over this. Given their 2 choices, I say > they take Kim out before that happens. > > Rory > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... > >> We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. > > No, that's folly. > > It's economic M.A.D. It would crash both the US and Chinese economies... > would also impact Taiwan / HK. > > As far as tech stuff, we'd be fucked for a few years. China has 85-95% of the > world's rare earth mining capacity used in things we use every day, from > watches, phones, cars, drones, military equipment, medical equipment, things > NASA depends on, etc. They have roughly 1/3rd of the world's rare earth > deposits, but there is no production really spun up anywhere else. We have a > place in California, and friends in Australia, but those facilities are > closed due to the low Chinese prices. > > If you thought the crashes of 2000/2008 were bad, imagine 25-35% unemployment > that would largely not be soaked up by newly opened US facilities due to the > cost of manufacturing here. > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Foxconn is coming here (IPhone) >> Taiwan is hoping this goes down, their sovereignty is on the table >> Philippines and Malaysia used to produce, probably a lot of shuttered >> factories we haven't closed the door on cuba yet There is no shortage >> of slave labor nations, china knows this. >> When you rely on the spoils of slaver and servitude such as we do, >> its best to spread the risk around, and that's what we are poised to >> do with this. It will hurt in the wallet for a time, but in the end, >> we would be better, critical components will make their way back to >> silicon valley, the rest of the stuff will spread out. >> >> We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The short version of this, is that for the first time since April >>> 30th, 1975 (end of Vietnam War) the American people might actually >>> realize we are at war. They've largely been excluded from that fact >>> for almost 17 years now. This however, would be a much more >>> conventional battle. We are REALLY good at those, or at least we >>> were at one time. >>> >>> The alternative is that North Korean continues their program to >>> increase their range, accuracy, explosive potential, and eventually >>> a multi-warhead (MIRV) situation. There have been some links in the >>> past between NK and Iran, so if NK ends up being successful, Iran >>> would likely be quick to follow. >>> >>> None of this is any good. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for >>>> North Korea what does this mean for wireless radios that are made >>>> in China? Will we not be able to import them anymore? We rely quite >>>> a bit on products made in China for our everyday lives. I use alot >>>> of Ubiquiti products and if i can no longer get those my WISP >>>> operations would be severely crippled... >> >> >
