When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are.
I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than stateside legally. On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that > they use in swamps and such could help? > > On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> wrote: > > there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are > boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of > docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few > areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through > landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is > leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a > lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do > get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is > running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they > don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are > damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a > whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my > neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting > because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages. > > this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media > coverage on top of it > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to >> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics >> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we >> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball. >> >> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the >>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile >>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they >>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could >>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ? >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't >>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it >>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the >>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and >>>> ships are queued. >>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military >>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary >>>> docks or something. >>>> >>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged >>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they >>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys >>>> business >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA >>>>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, >>>>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR >>>>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. >>>>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific >>>>> requests from Gino yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, >>>>> >>>>> Brian Webster >>>>> >>>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> (607) 643-4055 Office >>>>> >>>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile >>>>> >>>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax >>>>> Skype: Radiowebst >>>>> >>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>> >>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat? And >>>>> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club >>>>> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have >>>>> contacts for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, >>>>> long term care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that >>>>> may be able to find its way onto military transport >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you >>>>> could get it there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs? I can build a few and send them. >>>>> Not sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded). Need >>>>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Lewis Bergman < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM >>>>> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yep, exactly what I said. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring >>>>> internet service..... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to >>>>> serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... >>>>> >>>>> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our >>>>> Infrastructure. >>>>> >>>>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ? Do we have any >>>>> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the >>>>> Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, >>>>> then such functional infrastructure is of little value. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just >>>>> pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of >>>>> us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free >>>>> service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get >>>>> paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they >>>>> true severity of such disasters unravel over a period of time... >>>>> sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>> >>>>> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on >>>>> anything else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you >>>>> would lose your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do >>>>> that consumers will pay for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events >>>>> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, >>>>> non-satellite] >>>>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone >>>>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need >>>>> gasoline >>>>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or >>>>> pray, everything is dead in the water. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general >>>>> cleanup like orphanages The power is the major issue. All poles and >>>>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried >>>>> utilities. Generators are being flown in every day word here is 6-9 >>>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are >>>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just >>>>> damaged but totally missing. What is there still is water damaged or has >>>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration >>>>> >>>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just >>>>> cut and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become >>>>> wealthy, never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody >>>>> will have smartmeters and starbucks >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than >>>>> a lot of other Caribbean islands. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind >>>>> and/or solar power. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>> >>>>> North Central Tower >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804> >>>>> >>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof. >>>>> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short >>>>> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and >>>>> that >>>>> may be optimistic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am wondering >>>>> of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in PR? >>>>> >>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 >>>>> meter and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any >>>>> infrastructure damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency center >>>>> has fully functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk >>>>> that work with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey >>>>> IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >
