there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media coverage on top of it On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: > Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy > immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics > expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we > are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball. > > On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the >> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile >> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they >> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could >> send some of these for rescue and recovery ? >> >> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't >>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it >>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the >>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and >>> ships are queued. >>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military >>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary >>> docks or something. >>> >>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged >>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they >>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems >>>> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS >>>> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with >>>> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a >>>> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from >>>> Gino yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank You, >>>> >>>> Brian Webster >>>> >>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> (607) 643-4055 Office >>>> >>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile >>>> >>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax >>>> Skype: Radiowebst >>>> >>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>> >>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat? And >>>> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club >>>> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts >>>> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term >>>> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may >>>> be able to find its way onto military transport >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you >>>> could get it there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs? I can build a few and send them. Not >>>> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded). Need >>>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Lewis Bergman < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM >>>> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep, exactly what I said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>> >>>> President >>>> >>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring >>>> internet service..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to >>>> serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... >>>> >>>> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our >>>> Infrastructure. >>>> >>>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ? Do we have any >>>> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the >>>> Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, >>>> then such functional infrastructure is of little value. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just >>>> pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of >>>> us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free >>>> service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get >>>> paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they >>>> true severity of such disasters unravel over a period of time... >>>> sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>> >>>> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything >>>> else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose >>>> your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers >>>> will pay for. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events >>>> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, non-satellite] >>>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone >>>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need gasoline >>>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or >>>> pray, everything is dead in the water. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general >>>> cleanup like orphanages The power is the major issue. All poles and >>>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried >>>> utilities. Generators are being flown in every day word here is 6-9 >>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are >>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just >>>> damaged but totally missing. What is there still is water damaged or has >>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration >>>> >>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just cut >>>> and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become wealthy, >>>> never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody will have >>>> smartmeters and starbucks >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than a >>>> lot of other Caribbean islands. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind >>>> and/or solar power. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804> >>>> >>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof. >>>> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short >>>> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and that >>>> may be optimistic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am wondering >>>> of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in PR? >>>> >>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 meter >>>> and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any infrastructure >>>> damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency center has fully >>>> functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk >>>> that work with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey >>>> IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>
