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> I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that
> was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said
> "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is
> there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool
> me once...
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While it is easy to pass judgement on the (invitational) behavior, a lot of
time and
science (behavioral) and psychology has been spent in trying to explain this.
How big of a problem this actually is in every society ?
Without passing judgement, have a discussion about the reality of this and many
other similar
issues, with someone who works or has worked in the Hospital ER ...
This goes a lot deeper than just predictor sexual behavior by powerful men..
this is part and parcel of a basket of poor human behavior that is inclusive
of
Spouse Abuse, Child Molestation, incest, and many other issues.
(I saw my 20year old grow up extremely fast, when he worked as a Scribe,
covering the Hospital ER..)
(He witnessed the best and worst of humanity first hand and some of the stories
he shared were almost unbelievable)
I am not sure, if one is doing justice by being quick to be dismissive...
Just because in yesteryears it was hidden from everyone's view, does not make
it Ok or correct.
Yes there are whole spectrum of issues in this 'basket' but none of them should
be used as a justification.
Yes there are challenges created by Society / Peer Pressure and Community
behavior that all contribute into making
this happen.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:03:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
> But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not care
> about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet 40 years ago
> there seems to be a concerted effort to end their career. Same for
> politicians.
>
> In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was making
> them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But I was never
> in a position of power or authority. Just some pimply faced kid trying to
> get lucky. I cannot imagine the difficulty for the attractive young woman
> trying to make her way in acting or business or politics and getting a
> boorish dude pushing himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed
> for as long as humans have existed.
>
> I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that
> was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said
> "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is
> there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool
> me once...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
>
> Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws?
>
> On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The
>> guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly
>> happened 40 years ago.
>> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago?
>> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning,
>> changes of attitudes?
>> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the
>> offense happened?
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
>> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive"
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive
>> It's available on Netflix.
>> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices
>> you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get
>> to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression
>> that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media
>> and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a
>> good episode....and a good series in general.
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
>>> Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking
>>> everyone’s behavior.
>>> *From:* Nate Burke
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
>>> Facebook and Google already have all the data of your
>>> likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the
>>> next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed
>>> to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility.
>>> Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity
>>> devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches
>>> nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or
>>> red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby
>>> alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing
>>> behavior.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across
>>>> verbally.
>>>>
>>>> Don't! Stop!
>>>>
>>>> Don't stop!
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>> All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator.
>>>>> There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted
>>>>> attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl
>>>>> decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into
>>>>> no=yes and so forth.
>>>>> Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a
>>>>> date risking becoming a criminal?
>>>>> Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
>>>>> NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney
>>>>> and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the
>>>>> exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same
>>>>> words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels
>>>>> harassed by Buscemi.
>>>>> How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
>>>>> All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should
>>>>> be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile
>>>>> would have disappeared. End of story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
>>>>> not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
>>>>> <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Franken = injured chicken LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
>>>>> One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory
>>>>> farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They
>>>>> were allowed to run around in a very large room.
>>>>> Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He
>>>>> had lots of buildings with rooms like that.
>>>>> There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
>>>>> wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
>>>>> than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
>>>>> from hatching before they were ready for market.
>>>>> Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
>>>>> they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I
>>>>> don’t recall
>>>>> how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
>>>>> If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
>>>>> in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
>>>>> blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
>>>>> peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink
>>>>> was enough. They would pile on and do them in.
>>>>> I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>
