>From what I heard on the Dustin Hoffman deal, he only said things, didn’t >actually do anything. At least with that one girl. Just said some >inappropriate things to at 17 year old intern.
Some of this stuff is not binary. If a woman has a see through top and no bra and plenty of jiggle, who is to blame if the guys notice? The woman? Evolution? So she claims that she felt harassed but the eyes on her boobs. Who gets fired etc etc. I realize this is not the same thing as Harvey chasing young girls round in his hotel room, but it is shades of the same problem. You can go to the extreme examples of anything and say yes, wrong – always wrong. Black and white. But at the other end of the spectrum is a 10 year old boy stealing a kiss from a 10 year old girl. She was cool with it until some of the other kids saw and started talking about it. The the shit hit the fan, full court of inquiry, letters of contrition were written etc etc. I never kissed her again. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political 35 years ago I was playing with legos… An unwanted advance or a catcall are not getting anyone into trouble these days, the accusations are far worse… From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political So you think you should potentially lose your company for making an unwanted catcall or advance 35 years ago the same as you would had you done it today? On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: Time should not determine if something is right or wrong. Its a binary thing. You can’t be half pregnant. Acceptable, tolerable or not spoken about does not equal correctness or right It has long been know that powerful men prey on woman on Hollywood…. From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:38 PM To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly happened 40 years ago. Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, changes of attitudes? Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the offense happened? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive It's available on Netflix. Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a good episode....and a good series in general. ------ Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Maybe they could start with China’s citizenship score essentially ranking everyone’s behavior. From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political Facebook and Google already have all the data of your likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of). Seems like the next logical step would be a compatibility matrix. You are only allowed to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility. Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted. Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all potential matches nearby. As you approach, their name badge would either turn green or red. If you get too close to a Red, it will start flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for potential harassing behavior. On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally. Don't! Stop! Don't stop! bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a predator. There is the prey and the predator. It is a matter degree. Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching. Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get games morphs into no=yes and so forth. Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a date risking becoming a criminal? Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation. NPR had a good example. Good looking woman at a party. George Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times. Both use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and feels harassed by Buscemi. How can you codify how people are supposed to behave? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party, should be pecked to death...I have four daughters. That Alabama pedophile would have disappeared. End of story. Jaime Solorza On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: Al Franken = injured chicken LOL -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC. They were allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands. He had lots of buildings with rooms like that. There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food. I think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market. Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park and the conveyer and not really move. I don’t recall how they got water (this was 50 years ago). If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was enough. They would pile on and do them in. I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.
