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Cheked our last order, $82 with the lid bolts. Milennium is our local supplier that stocks them. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:14 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Could you give me a source for your handholes? > I took 36” HDPE culvert and and cut it into 24” slices and made steel > lids. But I have more than $75 into just the culvert piece alone. > > *From:* Chris Fabien > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:53 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT > > Chuck, I would love to hear your lower cost idea. Right now we use mainly > HDPE handholes, not load rated, and place them so it's unlikely to see > heavy traffic. We have had one crushed so far by a tractor, so its not > perfect (but the fiber was OKAY). But they are $75ea vs $200 for a polymer > concrete, worth having to replace one or two a year. > > This video I only recently found, but it explains this tapping > architecture very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78dC2z1mWc I > wish I had seen this video 5 years ago. It seemed a lot more "wierd" when > we were suggested the idea by another fiber upstart guy. > > Mark, I've done lots of drawings of distributed splits inside a 12-count > main and folding legs back along the mainline and what not. Certainly a > viable approach. I think it is overly complicated, especially when at some > handholes you are splicing drops to go north and at some you are splicing > to go south and what not. I think the tapped trunk layout is working very > well for us in our area, certainly has some compromises but I'm happy with > it. You do have to have the loss values worked out upfront. If you leave > some extra margin you can tolerate cutting in an extra splitter here or > there as houses are built and what not. > > Chuck, its very much same idea as Coax taps in CATV, the math pretty much > the same. > > Chris > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:44 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> What are you using for handholes? Full traffic rated handholes are a >> large expense. >> I am working on a lower cost idea, but if something equivalent to my idea >> already exists I would rather just buy them. >> >> *From:* Chris Fabien >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:01 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >> >> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >> that needs to be set. >> >> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is >> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx >> sens. >> >> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >> >> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >> >> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That's also a compelling point. >>> >>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>> >>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company >>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what >>> THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>> >>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a >>> bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind >>> too. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> >>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>> cabinets. >>> >>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. >>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself >>> to do PON. >>> >>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>> >>> >>> >>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> >>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>> >>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>> >>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Adam, >>> >>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>> exceed 20Km." >>> >>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>> >>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter >>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>> budget. >>> >>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage >>> per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> >>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>> >>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>> >>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber >>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> >>> Adam, >>> >>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split. >>> Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>> >>> >>> >>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> >>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>> >>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm looking >>> at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line >>> down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then >>> I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so houses >>> per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>> >>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>> seeming to work out for me. >>> >>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>> PON some day if I want to. >>> >>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE >>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that >>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> >>> A few reasons... >>> >>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>> >>> More splicing. >>> >>> More fiber required. >>> >>> Larger chassis required. >>> >>> More power required. >>> >>> More battery backup required. >>> >>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>> capacity in most places. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>> >>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with >>> Zhone is different. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN >>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember >>> which. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions? >>> >>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>> >>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>> >>> -Jason >>> >>> >
