We get 17x30x15. Tyco B size will fit but it's tight. A is no prob. On Feb 15, 2018 2:33 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> A splice case and slack will fit OK? > Which size do you get for the $82? > > *From:* Chris Fabien > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT > > https://oldcastleenclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/ > 05/WA-Carson_1730.pdf > > Cheked our last order, $82 with the lid bolts. Milennium is our local > supplier that stocks them. > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:14 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Could you give me a source for your handholes? >> I took 36” HDPE culvert and and cut it into 24” slices and made steel >> lids. But I have more than $75 into just the culvert piece alone. >> >> *From:* Chris Fabien >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:53 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >> >> Chuck, I would love to hear your lower cost idea. Right now we use mainly >> HDPE handholes, not load rated, and place them so it's unlikely to see >> heavy traffic. We have had one crushed so far by a tractor, so its not >> perfect (but the fiber was OKAY). But they are $75ea vs $200 for a polymer >> concrete, worth having to replace one or two a year. >> >> This video I only recently found, but it explains this tapping >> architecture very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78dC2z1mWc I >> wish I had seen this video 5 years ago. It seemed a lot more "wierd" when >> we were suggested the idea by another fiber upstart guy. >> >> Mark, I've done lots of drawings of distributed splits inside a 12-count >> main and folding legs back along the mainline and what not. Certainly a >> viable approach. I think it is overly complicated, especially when at some >> handholes you are splicing drops to go north and at some you are splicing >> to go south and what not. I think the tapped trunk layout is working very >> well for us in our area, certainly has some compromises but I'm happy with >> it. You do have to have the loss values worked out upfront. If you leave >> some extra margin you can tolerate cutting in an extra splitter here or >> there as houses are built and what not. >> >> Chuck, its very much same idea as Coax taps in CATV, the math pretty much >> the same. >> >> Chris >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:44 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> What are you using for handholes? Full traffic rated handholes are a >>> large expense. >>> I am working on a lower cost idea, but if something equivalent to my >>> idea already exists I would rather just buy them. >>> >>> *From:* Chris Fabien >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:01 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >>> that needs to be set. >>> >>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is >>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx >>> sens. >>> >>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >>> >>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That's also a compelling point. >>>> >>>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>>> >>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company >>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what >>>> THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>>> >>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have >>>> a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind >>>> too. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>>> cabinets. >>>> >>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per >>>> customer. >>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself >>>> to do PON. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark * >>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>> exceed 20Km." >>>> >>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>> >>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter >>>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>>> budget. >>>> >>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage >>>> per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>> >>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber >>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 >>>> split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run >>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times >>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so >>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>> >>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>>> seeming to work out for me. >>>> >>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>>> PON some day if I want to. >>>> >>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE >>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that >>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> A few reasons... >>>> >>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>> >>>> More splicing. >>>> >>>> More fiber required. >>>> >>>> Larger chassis required. >>>> >>>> More power required. >>>> >>>> More battery backup required. >>>> >>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>> capacity in most places. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with >>>> Zhone is different. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN >>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember >>>> which. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions? >>>> >>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>> >>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>> >>>> -Jason >>>> >>>> >> > >
