Jim, Here is a video that illustrates my wake-up call regarding real-world complexity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVet82IUAqQ&t=369s Here, dealing with seemingly simple and slow-moving devices like naval vessels have, if you dig deeeep enough, really subtle and complex tactics and counter-tactics. Solving problems like this are in part why we don't now speak German or Japanese. Note interestingly that they lacked a crew to develop better U-boat strategies, so they could anticipate new methods before they were successfully used to sink ships. The world is now FULL of such phenomena. One of my own special skills is in "alternative" treatments for health issues, which can be every bit as devious as the above tactics. Note that solving such tactical issues seems to necessarily involve the use of "computers" - people trained in a particular sort of computation, only there is no known way of replacing this sort of "computer" with an electronic equivalent. And, yes, I am one of those computers. IMHO, we now have the wrong people working on AGI. The present crew lacks enough gray hair and real-world experience to see the depth of the challenges, so no one can do a competent analysis of those challenges. *Steve* On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:27 AM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > Suppose my feeling that complexity - complicatedness - is the issue that > makes AGI so elusive turns out to be right. Then, someone should be able to > show that a simple model actually can work - as long as it is kept really > simple. Next he would have to be able to show that the model which can be > applied to one 'field' (in this case one IO modality) could be applicable > to another 'field' with some adjustments to deal with the other kinds of IO > events. Finally he should be able to show that they can be combined so that > it can use learning from one field and apply it to another. Finally he has > to show that the same can be done with other 'fields'. The only issue is > that everything would have to be kept at an extremely simple level and that > 'genuine learning' is actually taking place. Defining and developing > general learning is the only problem other than complexity. > Jim Bromer > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T187cd9f14076b86f-M898f00104b1fb37d3b5b8072> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T187cd9f14076b86f-M642201a195d5e644b23a5680 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
