Interesting video. I did not know about the wargamers and the convoys. I believe that 'simulation' or the application of imagination to a real world problem is an important part of AI and it will be an important part of AGI. How can the simulation be so real in some important ways even though it is just a crude simulation? By being developed along the way. Jim Bromer
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 10:45 AM Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > > Here is a video that illustrates my wake-up call regarding real-world > complexity: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVet82IUAqQ&t=369s > > Here, dealing with seemingly simple and slow-moving devices like naval > vessels have, if you dig deeeep enough, really subtle and complex tactics > and counter-tactics. Solving problems like this are in part why we don't > now speak German or Japanese. > > Note interestingly that they lacked a crew to develop better U-boat > strategies, so they could anticipate new methods before they were > successfully used to sink ships. > > The world is now FULL of such phenomena. One of my own special skills is > in "alternative" treatments for health issues, which can be every bit as > devious as the above tactics. > > Note that solving such tactical issues seems to necessarily involve the > use of "computers" - people trained in a particular sort of computation, > only there is no known way of replacing this sort of "computer" with an > electronic equivalent. And, yes, I am one of those computers. > > IMHO, we now have the wrong people working on AGI. The present crew lacks > enough gray hair and real-world experience to see the depth of the > challenges, so no one can do a competent analysis of those challenges. > > *Steve* > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:27 AM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Suppose my feeling that complexity - complicatedness - is the issue that >> makes AGI so elusive turns out to be right. Then, someone should be able to >> show that a simple model actually can work - as long as it is kept really >> simple. Next he would have to be able to show that the model which can be >> applied to one 'field' (in this case one IO modality) could be applicable >> to another 'field' with some adjustments to deal with the other kinds of IO >> events. Finally he should be able to show that they can be combined so that >> it can use learning from one field and apply it to another. Finally he has >> to show that the same can be done with other 'fields'. The only issue is >> that everything would have to be kept at an extremely simple level and that >> 'genuine learning' is actually taking place. Defining and developing >> general learning is the only problem other than complexity. >> Jim Bromer >> > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T187cd9f14076b86f-M642201a195d5e644b23a5680> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T187cd9f14076b86f-M7c7be83d311a740322412a6d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
