On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 7:22 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote:

Along the same lines, how then do you interpret imaginary quantities
> of evidence?
>

These correspond to the "case counts" comprising quantum "complex
probability amplitudes" which only "exist" as potentials as opposed to
actuals.  This gets into the whole question/quandary of "quantum
ontology".  Does something "exist" before it is measured?


> ...
> They do look at distinctions in this sort of proto-space as giving
> rise to time ... but then I think Kauffmann looks at physical space as
> emerging from the algebras immanent in multiple
> coupled/interpenetrating distinctions, in a way analogous to but more
> complex than how time arises...
>

And Brown doesn't even admit to the "existence" of "time", in the ordinary
sense, until a higher order of feedback because the first order feedback
doesn't provide itself with a metric -- the first order provides the metric
for higher orders.  I don't recall his full argument, but he made reference
to a book "An Experiment With Time
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Experiment_with_Time>" that he thought
was a good start on this way back in the 1930s.

So I suppose there is also a notion of "proto-time" as well as
"proto-space".

My main interest originated in designing a relational computer programming
language based on The Laws of Form and Russell's Relation Arithmetic out of
which would naturally fall things like dimensioned numbers (units) with
dimensional analysis etc. as a more natural approach than types.  That's
why I hired Tom Etter (the link theory author) as part of HP's "Internet
Chapter 2" project circa 1999.  That it would have handled "quantum
computers" was not my main interest but would, again, fall out "naturally".

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