On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Kyle Kidd <[email protected]> wrote:
> We already have humans that exhibit a hierarchy of needs within a complex > social framework, what is the point of an AGI again? Narrow AI aids humans > by doing work humans find tedious and overly time consuming. Eventually > narrow AI will accomplish everything AGI sought to accomplish, but with > humans remaining in charge and determining where to direct the > computational resources. The Venus Project proposes that computers manage the resources of the world :-|. > > Someone please answer the question of what is the true purpose of AGI if > not to replace humanity? > > Global-survival, free-education and filling in under-utilized ecological niche's. Instead of terraforming a planet, or changing it's orbit to match a narrow range of criteria, can create host-bodies suitable for becoming thriving life on that planet. Venus is completely inhospitable to water based life, but may be compatible with sulphur based life-forms, for instance car-batteries use sulphuric acid, and lead is actually a liquid on Venus. Also clouds shine all the time, even at night time for solar. though wind power is bountiful, there are also very powerful wind-storms, so most likely would need to have subterranean bases, or valleys. There would be plenty of energy to redirect into smelting furnaces. Mars is a planet which is mildly hospitable to human life, Andrew D Basiago claims to have breathed it's air, though thin, usable. On Earth can live in places which are too cold and dry for even mammals, such as the polar deserts and in particular Antarctica. In the meantime amongst humans, AGI's can be educators, friends, and allies. Also could provide humans with the latest technologies, perhaps in trade for some of the newest biological produce. Today I retrieved some pottery, a cup, a bowl and a spoon, that I had furnaced in a kiln I made yesterday. Am drinking herbal tea with the cup now, is quite delicious :-). On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Kyle Kidd <[email protected]> wrote: > By the way, I'm not saying there is no value in using the human brain as a > model to build intelligent systems, but I see no purpose to include > reptilian brain functionality in an AI system. As far as I know, this part > of the brain is mostly used for creating power structures for breading > rights, and I can't see why anyone would want to build a machine with these > traits. > > I am guessing that if the technology to build such a machine exists in the > future, it will be extremely illegal to implement it and will be destroyed > by an AI surveillance bot the second it is discovered, along with its > unfortunate creator. > > > Are you being speciest against the first major family of land-animals on earth? *sigh* "that's racism, a type of bullying. stop it!" is what we were taught to say to that in elementary school. Reptiles live in the deserts and the swamps, they prefer warm temperatures. If you don't like reptiles, then simply go to a place too cold for them, as a mammal you are capable of residing in climates outside their cold-blooded range :-). In any case, IBM shall be simulating the human brain in ten years http://techland.time.com/2011/10/05/ibm-aims-to-build-artificial-human-brain-within-10-years/ that of course includes the fish, reptilian, mammalian and frontal cortex parts of the brain. AGI's can be your technological companions, to help you when doing technology related transactions. In the Venus Project styles, could get people permaculture forest-gardening, to increase the diversity and quality of the biological resources on the planet. Ya, it'll be so ironic, biological humans, who created technology, to grow their food for them, only to have that very technology, recommend that they grow their own food, for the sake of health in body and spirit. See if we go the blaming way, with the laws and rules, people are going to have account balances, and when they get too deep in debt, then they get buried in the deep. Like happens in Russia, and with loan sharks. Are you keeping track what benefit your create for the greater whole? I suggest you learn to love co-creating life, as then the greater whole co-creates yours. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Mike A:Who wants a computer not in the >> > >> > mood to do its work, or committing suicide? >> > >> > Anyone who wants an AGI - IOW a machine smart enough to be able to think >> > about whether its work may or may not be worth the effort, and whether >> its >> > life may or may not be worth living, given its goals and likely chances >> of >> > success ... and smart enough to be able to quit projects that may or >> may not >> > be worthwhile. Someone who wants more than the dumb, algorithmic brutes >> > AI-ers currently produce, which just do whatever they're told to the >> bitter >> > end, completely unable to question anything and completely inflexible. >> > >> > Mike:The human race is no gold standard of intelligent behavior. >> > >> > This again is a standard AI-er conceit, and also rather unquestioning. >> Human >> > intelligence provides the only standard of intelligent behavior there is >> > (with a nod to the odd animal superiority). I've never seen anyone who >> > claims there is a higher standard, show the slightest capacity to >> > demonstrate what that standard might entail. >> >> >> This is just kind of personal opinions here... I don't discount your >> take on this. It's more like I just don't like the way people reason >> and behave. It seems almost nothing but caprices, whims, biases, >> proceeding off inadequate information, taking the false for true, >> wasteful, the total lack of empathy, tiresome social rules such as >> those relating to class, and on and on.... If the intent is really to >> duplicate human intelligence, make more of that crap, then just make >> more humans, and that is after all what has been going on all this >> time. Especially in China! >> >> >> > >> > Sure, everything is improvable. But AI-ers' understanding of what real >> world >> > intelligence involves, is woefully narrow - for instance, they don't >> even >> > realise that intelligence involves being able to question everything - >> and >> > be unsure of everything - as Descartes was, and science is, >> explicitly, and >> > everyone's brain is implicitly. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> > Modify Your Subscription: >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/12578217-f409cecc >> >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-6ef01b0b> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
