Steve Richfield wrote: > Alan, > > It is good to subdivide problems. I just have some problems with some of > the confusions that you are jumping to. > > Continuing... > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Alan Grimes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> There are many critical things to understand about the first domain at > the practically accessible scale. The first of which is that it is > utterly asymbolic. > Are you suggesting that we close down all of the Physics departments at > various universities? No, not at all. I'm only suggesting that there are limits to the kind and extent of knowledge in each domain. There obviously exist meaningful patterns and that it is usually interesting, if not useful, to build a mathematical model that describes a few, limited, aspects of them. > Any symbol used to describe it comes from within the > observer, not the system. > Sure, but so what? It means that such symbols are incomplete, meaning that a single-ontology AGI such as the one proposed by a local meetup that I've since been banned from is utter nonsense. > Everything said about it that isn't about some > quantum value is fuzzy and imprecise. > Sure, but so what? It means that an agi's architecture must reflect that imprecision and be able to adapt and adjust models on the fly. > All models are approximate and > applicable only in a few situations under certain conditions. > Sure, but so what? It means that the GOERTZEL's atom store is a crock of bull because it fails to capture these higher levels of organization. > Any > general agent must be able to construct and apply models and ontologies > on the fly. > Sure, but so what? I want all those "semantic web" losers to get out of my face; they suck. > Finally, we have the domain of descritption. This is the domain which > attempts to measure and describe the solution implemented by the second > domain, and by extension features of the first domain. It is entirely > disposable and unnecessary for a successful AGI. > Didn't you read the posting you are responding to? Without notation > there is no communication, and without communication there can be no > AGIs, unless you expect it to happen by accident inside of some > computer, akin to what happened in nature. You get your AGI by working in the second domain. You are free to discuss it with 3rd domain knowledge, but too many fools confuse the 2nd and the third. > It's primary purpose is > to assess the success of a given AGI design. Far too many people confuse > progress in this domain with progress in the second domain. =( The only > contribution domain three can offer is that it lets you see what you're > doing in the second domain, to some extent. > "Progress" only measures the distance from the starting point. It does > NOT measure the accuracy of the line of progress. We can't know whether > any particular "progress" is really progress until we finally succeed. In mathematics progress has a clear definition: the derivation or proof of new functions, theorems, etc. > I'm really sick to > death about hearing about results from research in this domain, I just > don't care. =| > OK. How would YOU go about developing an AGI without mathematics. This > sounds a LOT like my first ROBOT. I was just 5 years old. It's body was > a chunk of a beam. Its arms and legs were pieces were thin boards. It's > head was a coffee can. OK, now that was done, "all" I had to do was to > animate it. Hmmm, where do I start to do THAT? Suddenly I realized that > the really BIG challenges lay ahead. > What is YOUR plan? Ignoring my desperate financial situation; get a NAO, and then start buying Big Iron computers until the problem yields... I imagine I'll also have to do some programming, but just a little. ;) > Okay, now that is cleared up, go out and build some 'bots! =P > With what? That's a practical problem; this is a meta-mathematics thread. ;) -- E T F N H E D E D Powers are not rights. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
