On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:
> 4 or IV ? > > 4 is a historically belated mathematical solution. > > And it - both 4 and IV - is actually false. > > In the real world, there are no "4's". To use maths properly, you should > know that 4 is an ABSTRACTION from the real world - and hold both the > abstraction and the reality in your mind at the same time. > > There is no essential solution to any problem. > > But I am in a sense grateful to both you and Steve, because you are > demonstrating the extraordinary power and grip on the imagination of the *myth > of rationality* and single "right" or "correct" answers. You clearly both > passionately WANT there to be one solution - and it is a pyschologically > natural urge. > > I does sound like the kinds of arguments taking place here are not really dependent upon AGI per se and even the current state of technology but fall along the general lines of the age-old rationalist vs. empiricist debate. The extreme empiricists/nominalists like arguments such as "just because we see 500 black crows does not mean the next crow is black" and "just because everybody who walks out of a ten story building so far as fallen to their death does not mean it will happen to me." In defense of this statement you could claim that there exists no such rule we can see -- it is all imaginary, and so forth. It is fun to put yourself in the extreme empiricist camp for a while, but it certainly seems that eventually to get anywhere you need some rationality -- which is why Kant came along basically saying that both the rational and empirical are needed for reasoning. When you say "rationality is a myth" and there is "no essential solution" -- if I were to believe that then there would be no structure at all to reality. But plainly there is structure. > Has it not occurred to you that an agent who can come up with potentially > infinite answers to a problem is somewhat more useful and intelligent than > an agent who can come up with only one? > > If you can't grok that, (Steve), you really shouldn't be doing AGI. > > *From:* Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:21 AM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Real World/ Creative Reasoning - what no one gets > about AGI > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> There are infinite solutions to 2+2 = >> >> 4, FOUR, QUATRE, 1111, 6-2, 7-1, .... , llll [lines], 4.2345 real >> apples .. IV, (and so on in other numeral systems), and so on ad infinitum. >> >> (And the above is not playing around or superficial - there are plenty of >> existing real problems where it is necessary to find an alternative to 4) >> >> There are infinite solutions to every problem. >> > > > This seems like the basic essential / accidental philosophical issue. The > solution given to the problem "what is 2 + 2?" is always essentially going > to be 4, but is only accidentally given as "four, quatre, 1111, 6-2...." or > what have you. > I believe that Hegel wrote that reality displays "nothing but accidents." > That doesn't rule out > *a single essential solution. * > > Mike Archbold > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
