Are you sitting on a chair? Just grab it and put it upsidde down. Look at it. Do you recognize your chair, which is now upside down? If you do, you would have proved that invreps do exist.
Sergio -----Original Message----- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:46 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Not an invariant representation but.... P.S. There is no such thing as an invariant representation in your brain. You can create an artificial one on paper - start with a square, and perform a whole series of transformations, which will be recognizably forms of square. But even the concept of "square" in your brain (as distinct from on paper or the artificial geometrical definition) is NOT an invariant representation - couldn't possibly be. You try and explain why you think it (or any other form) is - and I'll show you why it isn't. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sergio Pissanetzky" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:17 PM To: "AGI" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [agi] Not an invariant representation but.... > Mike, > > No problem, invariant representations can be endlessly diversified. > Really, > endlessly. Keep going, you are not there yet. > > Sergio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:35 AM > To: AGI > Subject: [agi] Not an invariant representation but.... > > What is needed, when you think about it, is not an "invariant > representation"... > > that's simplistic thinking, if the natural first step... > > what is needed is a "diversifiable representation" > > a representation that can be endlessly diversified... > > the objects of the world can be - and are - endlessly diversified > > chairs endlessly and radically and unpredictably change form > > cars endlessly change form > > houses endlessly change and diversify form... think of the recent > fluid architecture > > maths and logic endlessly change and diversify form - no common > patterns or invariant representations behind their ever new > branches... > topology..Riemannian geometry... sets...freeform geometry... > > if you can endlessly redraw a face or any object, so can/does the > brain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > d2 > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; d2 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
