And the human brain's conceptual/object recognitions transformations are all super*variant*.

Geometry is indeed about setform, invariant transformations - and the opposite of AGI, which is all about freeform transformations - just like "freeform geometry".

The freeness of that geometry is not intrinsic - it comes from the human geometer playing around freely with geometric structures.

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From: "Sergio Pissanetzky" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:33 PM
To: "AGI" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [agi] Not an invariant representation but....

Mike,

this time you are right. Yes, it is about transformations. But that's
precisely what makes a representation of something invariant: it is
conserved under certain transformations. Unfortunately, this is the precise point where you need to start using some Math. You need to say exactly what
a representation is, what a transformation is, and why the transformation
leaves the representation invariant. Then, you will have an invrep, and you
can start working on AGI with it. That is, on a machine

Sergio


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Not an invariant representation but....

P.P.S.  I think this debate can best be framed as:

how can a given conceptualisation/representation of an object be TRANSFORMED
to recognize new examples of that object?

it's all about *principles of transformation*

how can a given representation of a line/square/hat/chair/face be
transformed to recognize new examples?





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