What’s the difference between an “element” and a “characteristic”? And what would you give as an example of a “metapattern?” [I’m not sure that the last actually exists – a limited group of patterns may share common sub-patterns as elements – but I wouldn’t really call that a metapattern. Or you could transform one pattern into another, and the result would classify as a metapattern – but only of that one original pattern. The same operation applied to a totally different pattern would yield a totally different metapattern. And the goal here is to identify how all patterns belong to the same class. There is no metapattern for patterns generally].
From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:55 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Boris Explains His Theory Where the disagreement arises is that these two are talking about different levels of representation. It's the difference between use ("a dog" or "a pattern") and mention ("the word 'dog'" or "the pattern 'pattern'"). Mike is insisting on a strictly use-based representation, looking for common elements *between* the patterns, and Jim is failing to point out the difference between elements and characteristics, the characteristics of the different patterns being the elements of the metapattern. -Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Aug 23, 2012 7:38 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: If you want to put that mathematically, take a whole set of diverse patterns – Koch curve, Mandelbrot, herringbone, cellular automaton etc . etc. – and explain how the brain is able to abstract from *all of them together* and recognize them collectively as “patterns” (and not just as Koch curves/herringbones etc. etc). Where’s the pattern in a set of diverse patterns, B & B? And where’s the complexity, Jim? that's easy, these are all obviously susceptible to lossy compression using algorithms native to the brain... ben AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
