Matt:
It is easy to specify a design and
then declare success even though it doesn't work
Nice one - have you come across this anywhere else besides the field of AGI?
(I'm interested in terms of creativity generally - my impression is that
this phenomenon - wh. I've dubbed the "Don Quixote syndrome" - characterises
the field of AGI like no other. I'm just amazed that there are so many
people - virtually everyone here - who violate the most basic principle of
creativity, wh. is that you must start from a specification - and then
violate the 2nd most basic principle, wh. is that you must put your ideas or
machine to the empirical test).
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Mahoney
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:26 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] I have it all figured out... Well, almost.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:
These specifications are not feasible and therefore not reasonable. I
have a feeling that if IBM or Google could've the would've.
They are making progress, not excuses.
Furthermore, many of my
specifications would be more like design specifications.
Specifications first, then design. It is easy to specify a design and
then declare success even though it doesn't work. Nobody said AGI is
easy.
Tell me what it would take to solve these problems. Obviously a
solution must exist. The evidence is between your ears.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>
wrote:
Can you be ahem more specific about your ideal specification?
A specification describes what a program should do. For AGI, we
generally mean it should be able to do anything that a human could do.
More practically, it would be anything that you might pay a human to
do (because these are goals that investors would be willing to fund).
A more detailed specification might list specific, intermediate goals
or tests, such as:
1. Ability to fill in missing words in text with human level accuracy.
2. Ability to pass college level final exams in most subjects.
3. Ability to match captions to images.
4. Ability to classify videos as funny or not.
5. If equipped with a camera and robot arm, ability to catch and throw a
ball.
Do any AGI projects meet your criteria?
I believe all of these problems will eventually be solved. However I
don't believe that anyone on this list has the resources to do it
themselves.
-- Matt Mahoney, [email protected]
-- Matt Mahoney, [email protected]
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