On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: > > What’s the point of this except to avoid having to think about a new idea?
The point of that post was to clearly state that "Math is irrelevant to AGI" implies "All known or currently envisioned digital, analog or quantum computers are irrelevant to AGI" since any program on any of these computers has a mathematical formulation; and furthermore math is the tool used to design these computers and the operating systems languages that operate on them, etc. New ideas regarding how to program computers to yield AGI would be interesting to hear. But these ideas will inevitably have mathematical formulations, else they can't be implemented on any known or envisioned computers. You may choose to describe them non-mathematically due to your own specific taste and background; but this may then make your ideas harder for those of us with scientific/technical background to understand... .. ben g > > If an “iconic program” used logic and/or maths, they would only be parts, > not the whole program. > > The point of doing AGI is to solve the unsolved problems by identifying > new technologies – not to use old technologies that show no signs of > working. Your loyalty is to the old technologies. Old technologies never > solve new creative technology problems. That’s just a wrong idea. We didn’t > get to jets by adapting the propellor, or to neural nets by adjusting linear > programs. > > From: Ben Goertzel > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:27 AM > To: AGI > Subject: Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real world > reasoning > > > But if the robot is controlled by a computer program, that program is > still embodying some logico-mathematical formula, at any particular point in > time... > > -- Ben G > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> P.S. What I should have spelled out is that the moment you connect an >> icon to a body - >> >> for example, an icon of a hand to a physical hand >> >> **the icon automatically becomes a fluid schema** >> >> because a hand – like the body - is in effect a fluid schema itself. >> What can an agent do with a hand? Nobody can state a definite bounded set or >> frame of hand movements. A hand is capable of virtually infinite hand >> movements.A fluid range of movements with many yet to be discovered and many >> continually being invented. So a hand icon [when connected to a body/hand] >> ipso facto refers to a potentially infinite range of hand movements/shapes >> etc. >> >> No one shall enter into the kingdom of AGI who is not a roboticist. >> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
