Logan:
Look at these beautiful renditions
tree with clouds plants and pond
..All computer generated, and made with math 

This is the umpteenth time this point has been made –  and it’s wrong – and 
provides yet more evidence of why many AGI-ers are so confused about the powers 
of maths ( Another classic misconception is that drawing programs (which are 
maths based) can draw!).
These drawings are made  by a human mind applying and arranging the 
maths/fractals.  But maths/fractals do NOT generate visuals of realistic  
trees/clouds/plants by themselves. Fractals can only, at best,generate  v. 
stylised versions by themselves. And they certainly do not generate a vast and 
endless range of individual, and different trees/clouds/plants/landscapes etc 
as the human artist and nature can. .
Similarly standard chords by themselves do not generate a musical 
improvisation, even if they are contained therein.  Human musicians apply and 
arrange those chords
Maths can help with PARTS of the creative product, but it does not produce the 
creative WHOLE..
All you’re doing is *avoiding* the real problem – which is how does a human AGI 
mind APPLY maths and any other parts to produce those creative wholes?  How 
does it apply standard chords to improvise? How does it produce an endless 
range of visuals of ever new natural objects? – when maths and every program 
can only produce an extremely limited range of objects – can only be the 
equivalent of a “Lego builder” as distinct from an “all materials” builder like 
the human mind?. How can a mathematician for that matter generate many new 
formulae and not just one? This is the unsolved problem of AGI – and pointing 
to the same old maths and the same old programs (like many before you)  is not 
the solution..
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