> > So who should design projects in CS, Mathematicians or Computer Scientists?
> Definitely Computer Scientists should write code, not Mathematicians. [Oops!] And likewise design projects, of course. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Aaron Hosford <[email protected]> wrote: > I challenge you to describe something in a foreign language that can’t be >> formulated in English? If necessary, I will just incorporate whatever >> foreign word you say into English to make sure I win! Obviously every >> language is English, right? > > > I'm glad you see my point. If you want to say such-and-such technical > subject isn't mathematical, sorry, the game is rigged. The word > "mathematics" is inherently inclusive of such things by definition. > > So who should design projects in CS, Mathematicians or Computer >> Scientists? Should the point of view used to define a program depend on CS >> concerns like efficiency, the real world etc or should it depend on >> theoretically perfect Mathematical constructs? > > > Definitely Computer Scientists should write code, not Mathematicians. > (I've seen some awful examples firsthand, unfortunately.) Just because we > use their tools doesn't mean they know the subject material. The > theoretically perfect mathematical constructs are the basis for what we do, > but practical experience is necessary for anyone to succeed at anything > nontrivial, and CS is certainly nontrivial. > > I just don’t think we get our due respect! > > > I'm not arguing here! But that doesn't negate the fact that computation is > inherently mathematical, either. > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM, David Clark <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I challenge you to describe something in a foreign language that can’t be >> formulated in English? If necessary, I will just incorporate whatever >> foreign word you say into English to make sure I win! Obviously every >> language is English, right?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So who should design projects in CS, Mathematicians or Computer >> Scientists? Should the point of view used to define a program depend on CS >> concerns like efficiency, the real world etc or should it depend on >> theoretically perfect Mathematical constructs?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am not trying to play “one up man ship” on Mathematics!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Like Rodney Dangerfield, I just don’t think we get our due respect!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> David Clark**** >> >> ** ** >> >> PS Does it matter if you don’t feel slighted or not? Does your data >> point negate my argument?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Aaron Hosford [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* January-07-13 6:51 PM >> >> *To:* AGI >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real >> world reasoning**** >> >> ** ** >> >> To an extent, I agree. Computer Science requires math in the same way >> that Physics requires math. You can't do either without it, but neither is >> merely math.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> However, I challenge you to name one computational construct which cannot >> be formulated in mathematics. Mathematics could be looked at as a >> technical, symbolic language, like any programming language, but this >> wouldn't quite be correct. In fact, mathematics is the union of all such >> technical, symbolic languages, plus the axiomatic truths which can be >> expressed in them, which means that if you invent a subject technical >> enough to require its own symbolic language but which isn't covered my >> mathematics, mathematics will shortly spread to include it by nature of its >> definition.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am a CS "specialist", and a mathematics enthusiast. I am not demeaned >> in the slightest by the statement that all computation can be expressed >> mathematically, anymore than a physicist is demeaned by stating that all >> physics can be expressed mathematically. It's the truth, but it doesn't >> mean that if you know math, you know CS or Physics, because each of those >> fields has its own truths that don't come automatically with the language >> used to express them.**** >> >> ** ** >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
