It's how it must be. Otherwise there wouldn't be time to give anyone any consideration worth any consideration.
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Charles Hixson <[email protected]>wrote: > For that matter, even most humans aren't concerned with "needless > suffering on Earth". Even those who claim to be concerned limit their > concerns, and are most concerned with their relatives, friends, and other > social context. People they don't know generally have a very small > consideration. > > > > On 12/31/2012 09:32 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > >> Why do you assume these superintelligent being would have interests, >> world-models and motivational structures similar to humans? >> >> What you see as "needless suffering on earth" they may perceive some >> other way entirely... >> >> ben g >> >> So your answer is "They are out there and they have decided not to >>> communicate." implying that they don't care to spare a billionth of the >>> their resources and intellectual capacity to communicate in the most >>> efficient/minimal-invasive manner in order to reduce needless suffering >>> on >>> earth? >>> >>> Isn't there a discussion going on whether humans should also virtualize >>> all >>> the animals out there in order to end reduce suffering? I guess a >>> super-intelligent species would have no problem in stopping pain and fear >>> for every living thing on this planet within a few minutes? >>> >>> -- jc >>> >>> >>> On 12/31/2012 07:25 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: >>> >>>> Even if John Smart's "Transcension Hypothesis" is correct there would >>>>> still >>>>> be enough time and possibilities for the transcending civilization to >>>>> send >>>>> out empathic Von Neumann probes featuring some AGI system before they >>>>> disappear into black holes? John argued that super-intelligent species >>>>> might >>>>> not interfere with us because they want to preserve diversity but i >>>>> think >>>>> that is like saying "Let's not help the jews in the concentration camps >>>>> because the few that will survive will write more interesting books.". >>>>> That >>>>> sounds weird - i know - but i think that is a good analogy? >>>>> >>>> Not reall a good analogy IMO. It's more like us saying "Let's not >>>> help the ants in that ant-hill because ... well ... they're just ants >>>> and it's simple enough to ignore them ... and after all, they're just >>>> doing ant-ly stuff like Nature intended..." .... >>>> >>>> And then of course, if we do help the ants, they probably won't even >>>> realize we are helping them.... Analogously, even if massively >>>> superhuman entities are guiding our civilization somehow, why would >>>> you assume they'd choose to do it by sending an emissary or message in >>>> some comprehensible form? They might just that would be disruptive, >>>> as opposed to taking subtler means... >>>> >>>> ben g >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------**------------- >>>> AGI >>>> Archives: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** >>>> 23508161-fa52c03c<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c> >>>> Modify Your Subscription: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/**member/?&;<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >>>> >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: >>> https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/212726-** >>> deec6279<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> >>> Modify Your Subscription: >>> https://www.listbox.com/**member/?&; <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Charles Hixson > > > > > ------------------------------**------------- > AGI > Archives: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** > 23050605-2da819ff<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/** > member/?&id_**secret=23050605-53e85d0d<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
