On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:03 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, > > At at the end of the year i would like to ask my favorite mailing list my > favorite question. > > What is your take on the Fermi Paradox in regards to AGI Systems. > > I think we all agree that once a civilization manages to create AGI > Systems intelligent life in that region of spacetime becomes pretty much > inextinguishable? > Not necessarily. It's still physical life forms. Galaxies grow old, not much even an AGI could do about that. > Even if existential risks related to nuclear weapons or biological warfare > and the like played a major role in resolving Fermi's paradox one could > expect at least some civilization to come up with AGI technology if it is > not way more harder than it appears to be today? > Ya sure, whirlpool galaxy has an AGI dominant civilization. > Do we underestimate the problem of AGI? > some people do. > > Are there no other technological civilizations within our hubble volume > capable of creating AGI? > > of course there are. > If there was a technological singularity/intelligence explosion within our > hubble volume would it be safe to assume that the emerging AGI system would > be empathic and therefore contact us in one way or another. lol those are not necessarily coincidental. It's just as likely an AGI civilization would go around raiding lesser galaxies for resources and people. Even a cloud of femto particles could probably figure out a way of helping > us out just like we help out a bug that is laying there upside down. > That whole cloud stuff is over-rated, communication overhead between tiny particles is too high, it would require some kind of larger force in order to move it in a co-ordinated fashion. A ghost may animate a few fog droplets for a while, but doesn't mean the fog itself is an AGI. > > Even if John Smart's "Transcension Hypothesis" is correct there would > still be enough time and possibilities for the transcending civilization to > send out empathic Von Neumann probes featuring some AGI system before they > disappear into black holes? Empathic? > John argued that super-intelligent species might not interfere with us > because they want to preserve diversity but i think that is like saying > "Let's not help the jews in the concentration camps because the few that > will survive will write more interesting books.". That sounds weird - i > know - but i think that is a good analogy? > More likely they wouldn't want to interfere based on the silver-rule of don't do unto others as you wouldn't want done to yourself. Though knowing the whirlpool guys I don't think they care much. Some of the stargates in this galaxy were purposely set to not allow any iron and other high tech to go through with ease, perhaps to hinder floods of AGI from nearby galactic clusters. > > What are your opinions given our current understanding of AGI, cosmology, > philosophy, etc.? > We should develop an AGI that supports freedom and diversity, spirituality, and maybe even that empathy stuff you were talking about. Based on my past-life memories, being from the whirlpool m51 cluster and all, it's kinda like imperialism on steroids, enslaving the weak, and all that. M51 group is all eaten up as it was the trigalactic empire when I left, and they've probably started, on m101 group and maybe even the ngc5866 group as it's been near a hundred million years since I left. We've got some time to make our own AGI counter-movement, (potentially even millions of years if the sniffers don't get us) hopefully with better morals, and support for self and group-sufficiency. But who knows, earth humans don't have a great track record so far, though more diversity certainly, and some pro-freedom/liberty culture, so there is hope. > > May 2013 be a good year for AGI development! > > yep :-) > kind regards, > > -- just another camel > > > ------------------------------**------------- > AGI > Archives: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** > 5037279-a88c7a6d<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/** > member/?&id_**secret=5037279-8beb0005<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
