yes, and because we do not currently know the precise layout of its cells, the brain is not made of cells...
and because we do not know the precise layout of the water molecules in the ocean, it is not made of water, but rather of cosmic consciousness-stuff ;p ... the formulaic processes for generating thoughts from elementary mathematical patterns are very complex, as are the processes for generating the ocean from water molecules, and the brain from neurons, etc. etc. I have written a lot about how thoughts are generated, including irregular forms, but you are too technically illiterate to understand or intelligently discuss them ... alas... ben g On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote: > So Ben it should be no problem for you to explain how these theories > generate/ coimputer diverse fonts. > > I suggest you haven’t the slightest clue – and nor would anyone else – and > this is a total timewaster. > > The paper linked OTOH does represent an attempt to engage computationally > with the problem of how algos might or might not generate diverse > fonts/forms. Any comments on that? > *From:* Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2013 3:58 PM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [agi] The Vast Field of Cultural Icons > > According to the current understanding of nearly all scientists, the > diversity of real world objects are generated by physical processes, which > seem well described via a combination of the Standard Model & General > Relativity theory > > But both of these theories are math theories, arbitrarily closely > approximable via computer programs... (though to simulate the whole > universe via a computer would require a very large computer program on a > very large computer) > > So yeah... > > ... ben > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Mike Tintner > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Totally irrelevant, no, Ben? >> >> Are you suggesting general relativity theory can be used to generate the >> endless range of diverse forms that comprise any real world class of >> objects, including classes of fonts, pace Hofstadter? Why not try string >> theory as well? >> >> (Perhaps there’s a general irrelevance theory that could explain such >> points as you’re making? [image: Smile] ) >> >> >> >> *From:* Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2013 3:02 PM >> *To:* AGI <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] The Vast Field of Cultural Icons >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Mike Tintner >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> John: So what are the formulaic processes for general object >>> generation and recognition? >>> >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_theory >> >> ;) >> ben >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> We’re making further progress IMO because we’re both looking directly at >>> the problem. Ben (and Opencog) and the vast majority of AGI-ers won’t do >>> that. I’m going to say more on this in a while, (including reframing the >>> problem still more precisely), but in the meantime, you & others might >>> care to look at a specifically algorithmic consideration of the problem (in >>> a form well-set by Hofstadter): >>> >>> >>> Is there a Universal Image >>> Generator? >>> >>> >>> https://researchspace.auckland.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/2292/3851/344cris.pdf?sequence=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> The conclusion: >>> >>> >>> “though this is an >>> abstract result, it may have import for several areas in graphics that >>> deal with compressible signals. In essence, new representations and >>> pattern generation algorithms will continue to be developed; there >>> is no feasible “super algorithm” that is capable of all things.” >>> >>> Comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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