I've read a few of Minsky's books. I always found them quite interesting. Goertzel's works are good too.
Until somebody can show you their working strong AI nobody has the correct approach. It's just arguing. It's best to keep an open mind. Even the most obscure types connected to AGI have some parts of good ideas IMO. like Archbold On 2/10/13, Schwartz, Daniel <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, I hope your research goes well (facebook/tumblr). I just want to > continue to educate myself on the subject until I can start implementing my > own AGI algorithms or theoretical architecture in text. I want to be able to > actually add some substance to this big project, and I feel like I maybe did > just a little through your nice compliment. > From: Piaget Modeler [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:12 AM > To: AGI > Subject: RE: [agi] Minksy criticism > > > I'm watching Minsky's video: > > > http://video.mit.edu/watch/emotion-machine-commonsense-thinking-artificial-intelligence-and-the-future-of-the-human-mind-9267/ > > > Very informative. Minsky's been around the block it seems. > > The most poignant slide is attached. > > Fascinating. > > ~PM. > > > P.S. Thanks again Danny for sharing. > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:42:20 -0500 > Subject: [agi] Minksy criticism > I really don't know much about this subject , so if this question has been > answered and you know where to find the answer, I'd appreciate it if someone > could point it out to me. I'm really curious if there is anyone out there as > interested in the subject as me who I can converse with! This seems to be > the place! > > I just started researching AGI and I was wondering about questions regarding > Ben's criticisms on Minsky's book "The society of mind" and "the emotion > machine". Those theories makes a lot of sense to me, but ben thinks > "societies" is the wrong way to think about the mind, etc. Why is Minsky's > theories different than bens? I can't find the source from where he said > this, I think it might have been in an interview, but I'm not sure. But the > criticism was something along the lines of "Minsky's mind society does not > consider the "synergy" of the mind working together." > > Here is my rebuttal: > > In his second book "Emotion Machine" Minsky describes the mind as a series > of "resources" instead of societies, but it's largely the same concept. > Anyway, when a person "thinks", certain "resources" get turned on or off > depending on the higher level goals of the question. When someone is in > excruciating Pain, most resources turn off, leaving the individual to force > to think about how to get rid of the pain. In Love, sometimes it seems as if > a whole new "program" is running and blemishes can turn into > embellishments-meaning, the "resources" for being turned off by physical, or > personality defects is switched off. In the example of Pain, the higher > level resource called "Pain" switches off all the other resources. > > How is it wrong to think of the mind as societies or resources as Minsky > thinks? Why does the idea of hierarchy societies controlling lesser > societies not work? > I'm also aware that the question of "Where do the algorithms for the higher > level societies come from?" But that is answered by the code described in > our DNA and which has developed through mysterious events in evolution over > thousands of years. > > I have not gotten too in depth in the book yet, but I don' see how this > theory lacks as a supplementary framework for OpenCog. I am also familiar > with the different sets of learning that OpenCog is, including MOSES and the > others. I also have not investigated how these systems work, so maybe they > actually do function as switches of on and off resources. OpenCog is > supposed to emulate a three year olds mind, right? How is that working out? > > I vaguely understand the pattern theory that ben is all about, and I was > wondering also if someone could point out where I can read more of that? > > **This is so exciting and I am really grateful for everyone who is > dedicating their time working on this relatively unknown idea. I am talking > to all my friends about and trying to spread the idea of singularity. If I > had more knowledge in programming, I'd be on board to help out! I hope that > this happens in my lifetime, that it is a benevolent creature, and that it > is "sensitive", caring, like humans. > > As ben loves to say, "why would we care about a few ants or bacteria that > die in building a skyscraper?" It is because we realize they are creatures > too, and we wouldn't want them to completely annihilate us. I do not think > that the only reason people study them is for reasons to only elevate our > understanding of the universe. Why can't the reason be that we want to help > other creatures get better? Just because someone is smarter than another, > why wouldn't it be comprehensible for it to wish to help the lesser? I hope > that AGI systems will "feel" that desire. The programmers need to be very > careful building this thing, even if that means gambling their dreams of > eternity, because we have to consider the future of our children if it turns > out to be malevolent, luckily most people are aware of this alternative. > > Thanks everybody, > > Danny > AGI | Archives<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > [https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg] > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-5cfde295> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > > [https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.png]<http://www.listbox.com> > > AGI | Archives<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > [https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg] > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24010057-f37fa9ab> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > > [https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.png]<http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
