Anastsios, This discussion may have revealed the psychotic condition that underlies AGIsm!!!
Nearly everyone sees that things have shape in 3D. People who have looked at the issue see that they have shape in 4D. EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end, Between the beginnings and the ends things change their 3D shape. In all respects, everything exists in 4D and has all of the characteristics of shape. We learn about our world by observing the shapes of things. Take away a dimension, that at best this becomes difficult, and often it becomes impossible to "learn" without some sort of supervised learning. To illustrate, consider the following thought-experiment, which you can easily performe in the real world. Have a friend purchase a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, assemble the puzzle (and note how long it takes him to assemble the puzzle), discard all of the edge pieces, disassemble the remaining puzzle, put the puzzle in an unmarked container that does NOT contain any indication of the image on the puzzle, and present it to you to assemble. You will find assembling the puzzle without the edge pieces (a 2D edge) or the picture (adjacent frame information) to be EXTREMELY difficult - but not quite impossible. Note how much longer it took you to assemble the same (but smaller) puzzle that has only ~880 pieces. This is what present-day AGI is trying to do - discarding information that may (or may not) be absolutely critical, and in the process making the problem orders of magnitude more difficult if not completely impossible. People are now wasting decades of their lives trying to make something work with one (or more) too few dimensions to describe the shapes of objects that they seek to learn to recognize and manipulate. Notice that Mike Tintner, the same guy who thinks that AGI transcends mathematics, saw this as clearly as you see your keyboard in from of you, yet this seems absurd to you. I find this to be absolutely fascinating. *I think this may be a MAJOR discovery* - not about AGI, but about the people who now work on AGI. With such a perceptual blind spot, AGI may truly be impossible to ever achieve - at least by the people now working on it. Perhaps some sort of "entrance exam" is needed for people working in AGI - to detect such perceptual anomalies? Any other thoughts about this? Steve ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
