Michael, you think no algorithm can be creative? What do you think results in your own creativity, if any? If it is not a set of biologically encoded algorithms then what exactly is it? If it is a set of algorithms, however encoded, then why can't it be implemented on a different substrate? Perhaps your notion of "algorithm" is a bit too limited.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM, tintner michael <[email protected]>wrote: > Oh please, PM. This is still dishonest. Ben tried this "read x.." ploy > several times - never was anything there. > > Put up your example of algorithmic creativity for the enlightenment of all > here. You can't. Neither can anyone else. > > Don';t lecture about "reasoning ability" until you're capable of reasoning > from empirical examples. > > > On 2 December 2013 19:13, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > >> As a philosopher, I would think that you would like to read. >> I hope you're not being lazy. >> >> Here's a starting point.... >> >> http://publications.csail.mit.edu/lcs/pubs/pdf/MIT-LCS-TR-563.pdf >> >> >> As I said, once you have context, I will be happy to discuss this with >> you. >> Gain some context and let's discuss. This is the internet, it's not that >> hard. >> >> Cheers, >> >> ~PM >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:23:29 +0000 >> >> Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> PM;We can't spoon feed each other endlessly. ..... >> >> That is the most cowardly and dishonest statement. It is typical. I am >> sick of this kind of dishonesty. Put up or shut up. >> >> >> On 2 December 2013 18:17, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> We can't spoon feed each other endlessly. Do a little research. Read >> the book. >> Let's discuss when you've obtained Drescher's thesis (probably online) or >> read his book. >> >> Always happy to discuss... >> >> Cheers, >> >> ~PM. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:06:54 +0000 >> >> Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> PM The Schema System synthesized new identifiers to represent novel >> situations >> >> Synthesized what new from what? A proper specific example please.Not a >> sleight-of-hand handwave. >> >> I guarantee you're talking nonsense. Prove me wrong. You should be >> delighted to discuss - this is the most important thing in AGI - far more >> important than any of the narrow AI techniques you often discuss in detail. >> >> >> >> >> On 2 December 2013 17:59, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> Gary Drescher's thesis qua book "Made Up Minds". >> >> The Schema System synthesized new identifiers to represent novel >> situations. >> >> True Creativity. True Construction. >> >> Mike Tintner, this is the meme that you need to surpress: "*a creative >> algorithm is a physical impossibility*". >> >> It is interfering with your reasoning ability, and creating a blind spot >> for you. >> >> ~PM >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:41:44 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> "Theoretically, contrary to Tintner's argument, it would be feasible to >> use CBR to discover and represent truly novel situations. However, this >> theoretical argument is not easy" >> >> One example of this creativity. From anywhere or anyone.. Actual or >> theoretical. >> >> I repeat : a creative algorithm is a physical impossibility like >> perpetual motion, the Immaculate Conception, transubstantiation of wine >> into the blood of Christ and other such religious fictions of creativity. >> And a bleeding obvious impossibility if you could just once turn your >> attention from the "architecture" of algorithms to the finished buildings >> they produce.. 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