Not sure what provoked this answer PM, was anything in my comment offensive? I thought your question was fun to think about and I wrote what I thought.
2013/12/12 Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> > I was just asking a simple question about how humans navigate the world > and whether > that would transfer to an AGI. Whether Nature or God was an efficient > answer to curtail > inquiry, and whether religious thought in general was an efficient model > for managing > the complexity of the world. > > This was not a prescription for anyone's AGI project. Not even mine. > > It was just a philosophical question. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:58:04 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > hm, ok if I understand it right, "god" would be posited if the agent does > not know the answer and also does not care about the answer at the moment. > So it is a way of prioritizing tasks or curiosity. So each question with > unknown answer would get a degree of importance and the least > important/irrelevant ones would have a stop sign that says "god". For > example why did the big bang happen? > > > 2013/12/12 Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > > Some writers like to use "Nature" rather than God to describe the > mysterious workings of the universe, such as everyday cause and > effect. It sounds less religious! Philosophers, of course, have long > used God in a neutral way, even if they happened to be religious > themselves. > > Didn't Piaget have a theory of causality worked out? Causality > attribution is different in development, as I recall from studying > child psychology (not in detail). I think children use temporal > causality too readily, meaning if two events happen in succession the > child thinks the first one always caused the next event, even if there > is no relation to two events other than they happen in sequence. > > Mike A > > > > On 12/11/13, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Martin: "what is the difference between positing "unknown" as the easy > > answer and "god" as the easy answer?" > > I don't know what the implications are for an AGI just yet. For humans > it's > > pretty simple. When you posit "God" as an answer, you can end your > search. > > The answer is known. When you posit "unknown" as an answer, you have to > > begin a new search to "know" the unknown. That's just what people do. > > I guess it all depends upon how much curiosity we program into the AGI. > Or > > how much curiosity it develops for itself. > > ~PM > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 03:43:26 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > My question was aimed at PM's implementation plans. > > > > 2013/12/12 Jim Bromer <[email protected]> > > > > A belief in God makes us think in terms of relations rather than > particles. > > This complements the impression of objects that can be formed by > interacting > > with common things and makes excessive reductionism less useful. I was > just > > reading that one of the modern theories in physics is that relations or > > properties represent the foundation of the material world, not particles > or > > fields. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:13 PM, martin biehl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > what is the difference between positing "unknown" as the easy answer and > > "god" as the easy answer? > > > > 2013/12/11 Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sjatkins: "Positing a super-complex deity results in a simplified > causal > > model of reality? The mind boggles." > > We do not posit a super-complex deity. We posit a deity, the definition > of > > which provides an easy answer to most questions. > > > > > > > > ~PM > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:11:31 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Positing a super-complex deity results in a simplified causal model of > > reality? The mind boggles. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You do not need a religion to build a simple causal model of the world. > > However, a well thought out materialistic causal model would lead to > > unanswerable complexities. And if a causal model interferes with the > > creation of non-causal relations then the model is going to be only of > > limited use unless it was always being changed a little. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Piaget Modeler < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion may be an efficient paradigm for an AGI to use in navigating the > > world. > > Ascribing causal events to an imperceptible deity may be an efficient > > mechanism > > > > > > > > > > for devising a simple and coherent model of the world, given volumes of > > somato-sensory data and its derivable conceptual implications. -- Thot of > > the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~PM > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > > > | Modify > > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > > Modify Your Subscription: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
